2012-07-30, 13:47 | Link #101 | |
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Yuuya knew she didn't go all out, and with her machine which is better, she probably would beat him with being more familiar with her machine compared to him. But on a sword vs sword fight, she was properly dueling him, and he Disarmed her. She was planning on him learning to be one with the machine, the being disarmed part caught her off guard. And to correct you, she didn't stop the fight technically, headquarters did once she was disarmed, they were satisfied with what they saw.
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2012-07-30, 13:47 | Link #102 |
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Yui did not want to win, she wanted Yuuya to integrate the japanese mindset of handling japanese TSF, akin to a shock therapy. And she got it. Why are people still discussing about "lol she lost"?
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2012-07-30, 13:52 | Link #103 |
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Really, Yuuya lost when he ignored U.S. combat doctrine and engaged Yui on her terms; he fought to her strength, not his. You don't try and out-turn a Zero and you don't try and out-duel a Takemikazuchi.
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2012-07-30, 13:55 | Link #105 | |
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Because they believe that disarming a Type-00 with it's long sword alone, and with an Imperial Royal Guard without any desire for victory is a valid and utter defeat? |
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2012-07-30, 14:03 | Link #106 | |
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Basically, as Indiana Jones teaches, Gun > Sword at more than a few meters. |
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2012-07-30, 14:12 | Link #107 | |
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2012-07-30, 15:49 | Link #108 | |
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(It's analogous to throwing a kid into the deep end of a swimming pool to teach him how to swim. Basically, paddling with a kickboard in the shallow end wasn't doing it for Yuuya--maybe because his own issues were getting in the way, maybe because he simply didn't have the underlying training hours in Japanese-style machines, so Yui switched methods to something that would, theoretically, make him learn "under fire." Whether that actually makes sense as a teaching method is a different question, but in-universe it worked and Yui accomplished her goal.)
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2012-07-30, 15:55 | Link #109 | |
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Of course, it's fairly inconsequential given how Yui was really going easy on him.
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2012-07-30, 21:30 | Link #110 | |
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Yui did kick his ass and humiliated his team. Beating him would have been easy, leaving him with the knowledge that she "Let" him get the win when she could have won at any time is more painful to a mans pride since he knows that if she fought seriously he would have been taken out in seconds like the rest of his squad.
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And no in the sword vs sword fight it wasn't a proper duel, if it was than Yui would have ended it right away. The duel was to test Yuuya and to get him to understand what she was trying to teach him. Once she accomplished this she quit the battle since she wasn't there to see who was the better pilot since she already knows that she's better than Yuuya at the moment. Headquarters asked her if she completed her objective, she hadn't they wouldn't have stopped her from continuing the fight. |
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2012-07-31, 05:19 | Link #111 | |
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EP5:20:17, Yui's surprised reaction EP5:21:07, Yui's finishing action with effort i.e. note Yui's facial expression. Yuuya is not a rookie when it comes to close-quarters combat. Spoiler for MLA wiki on F22A:
We know Yuuya is a F22 Raptor test pilot. The trigger point was Yui's disarmament. Last edited by encia; 2012-07-31 at 05:42. |
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2012-07-31, 05:38 | Link #112 | |
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I m just pointing out the fact that Yuuya would never be able to do that again to her at least until some point post series. and yes i know that to be a fact. i also know that yui would Spoiler for Ln:
also headquarter asked her if she wanted to stop the fight. ( very debatable actually, for both sides of the coins.) Last edited by Angrypokstick; 2012-07-31 at 06:28. |
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2012-07-31, 06:33 | Link #113 | |
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2012-07-31, 07:03 | Link #114 |
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No I am arguing that Yuuya didn't win anything because Yui never even tried. Her intention was never to defeat him just teach him which she succeeded at. Thus Yui got what she wanted while Yuuya was forced to accept that Yui was right all along and that she could have defeated him and ended the battle at any time if she ever got serious.
And again even Yuuya says that throughout the entire battle Yui could have easily defeated him. His moment of disarming her means nothing because she could easily have retrieved her weapons no matter what he did if she desired to continue the fight. |
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2012-07-31, 09:22 | Link #116 | |
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No she didn't, had she tried Yuuya would be the one ground like Tarisa who is a far better close quarters fighter than he is.
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Headquarters only stopped the fight because they assumed that Yui got what she wanted since they cut communications so she could teach Yuuya. |
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2012-07-31, 10:12 | Link #117 |
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Yuuya is smart enough to know she was holding back. For the first part of the fight she was. But that little defensive maneuver signaled the taking it to the next level. If that's the case he (and even I) would be insulted if she threw the last part of the fight. She did not hold back.
I'm going to tell you something. Woulda, coulda don't mean jack when the bell is called. All your little she could have kicked his ass by picking up the sword after did not happen. I analysis things in the context of the show and and at face value as its presented. And the context was she taught him the lesson she wanted by pushing him to finally best her. |
2012-07-31, 10:40 | Link #118 |
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Here's my read on the fight. Yui never went all out during the fight. It's pretty clear that she is holding back with Yuuya, and Yuuya himself even comments on this. Even when Yuuya disarms Yui at the end, Yui was still not fighting at her full potential. However, as noted above, it's clear from her reaction that she didn't expect Yuuya to be able to disarm her. So although it's obvious that Yui would have beaten Yuuya in a no-holds-barred duel, its also clear Yuuya surprised Yui with how quickly he was able to disarm her, even if she wasn't trying.
The more interesting question is what exactly Yui was trying to accomplish. Most posters are of the opinion that she was trying to teach Yuuya how to become one with his TSF and learn to pilot the Japanese way. But is that really true? Yui was clearly surprised that Yuuya disarmed her; she didn't expect to lose, or at least to lose in that manner. So how did she see the fight ending? That's unclear. Did she expect Yuuya to slowly become more adjusted to CQC Japanese-style? Was she going to toy with him for a bit and then finish him? It seems like the writers had the ending in mind before they had the middle, and didn't really think through what Yui's goal was in challenging Yuuya. What's interesting about Yui is that we're supposed to view her as a sympathetic character because we know about her background and are privy to her internal thoughts, but the writers fail to consider how the other characters (who don't know these things) view her. As we know from this episode, her background is a bit of a mystery to the other pilots. What they do know is that she has made racially-charged comments to Yuuya and, in their minds, is treating him unfairly. They also just witnessed Yui dangerously attack Tarisa, with a high likelihood of injuring her, and go after Yuuya for no real reason. To the pilots, it won't really matter that command approved the encounter. They will be pissed that an arrogant, racist officer could have killed one of their own. What should happen (and would happen) is that the pilots would refuse to fly until Yui was removed from the project, as they view her as a danger to themselves. |
2012-07-31, 10:49 | Link #119 |
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Lesson or not any real life commanding officer in charge of such a project would never let such a fight occur or even get that far. Damage to such equipment on purpose would probably warrant court marshal. But again I'lll take it in the context as an anime and work of fiction, such plot devices are used for character development. That doesn't mean that the reaction of the characters are not proper in how angry or aggressive they react to her intrusion. Yui like Yuuya has to grow herself. She is not perfect or end all be all. Making her a Mary Sue does nothing to develop the story.
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I really fail to understand why there's been so much debate on who "won" or who "lost" the fight when there wasn't actually a fight. Yui attempted to jump-start Yuuya's familiarity with the TSF, because having a lead test pilot who has trouble managing the machine due to his lack of familiarity with the underlying operational paradigm means that PROMINENCE is wasting time and money. Yuuya successfully made the leap and now "gets it" with regard to flying the Shiranui 2nd; proper test operations may now begin. Everybody wins, and Yuuya gets a few bonus character development moments.
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