2014-03-12, 14:27 | Link #41 | |
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As expected, the Usopp venom continues.....
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Not necessarily. At least, as long as he was stuck on one island, anyway. The real key to his growth is for him to gain more actual combat experience, which one wouldn't gain a lot of through training alone (and this more or less applies to ALL of the Straw-Hats, BTW). It's also important to remember that Usopp is more or less the "everyman" of the crew, which makes him the most "human" person on a ship full of monsters. Simply put, it's not like he's going to become fearless overnight, and he's already doing the best he can as a normal guy in a world full of people with supernatural abilities. This is why I'm nowhere near as bothered by the last couple of chapters' developments as some others are. Not like I CAN'T understand why those people are so bitter, but being a wimp is simply in Usopp's nature, that's all. It's tantamount to expecting Luffy to be less of a reckless idiot or for Sanji to start beating up people of the opposite sex. You can't expect someone to break character so easily. |
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People change in real life; characters can change in a story. It's called character progression. It's not unreasonable to expect some progress in a manga that has lasted 10+ years already. Quote:
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2014-03-12, 15:35 | Link #45 | ||
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Fans want Ussop to grow, not remain stagnant, or much worst, out right regress when he showed signs of progress Heck its kind of funny that you still defend Ussop even though in this chapter he did what you said wasn't going to happen. You thought he was just faking it, just lying to himself; but no, he was in fact just running away like a coward. You tried to claim that this was not character regression, saying that it would only be regression if Ussop stopped, admitted he was wrong, and went back... and that's basically what he did. Ussop just showed this chapter that he's retreading old ground; going back to the way he was before the timeskip, so that he could progress back up to where he was after the timeskip Quote:
Not to mention what IS changing overnight is ussop showing how brave he is(like on fishman island) and then going back to being a coward. That's not only changing overnight, but full on Character Regression. After the timeskip, Ussop showed himself to be braver and much more confident, but now he's back to jumping at every little thing that pops up just like he was before the timeskip... Oda let the genie out of the bottle, and now he's trying to stuff it back inside. Characters should grow as a story progresses. Ussop's story would be much better if he had a gradual growth instead of stagnation.
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2014-03-12, 15:46 | Link #46 |
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In a sense, this chapter did show some character progression for Usopp. If I remember correctly, it's the first time he is fighting alone while risking his life in battle for people who are not exactly close to him. There is next to no bond between Usopp and the Tontatas, at least nothing comparable to his bonds within the crew. But he is facing terrible odds, because he feels like it's the right thing to do regardless.
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2014-03-12, 15:58 | Link #47 | ||
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I think what comes closest to his state of mind is the situation he got into when fighting in Alabasta, but in this case without the help of Chopper this time. Quote:
EDIT: Not to mention what would Usopp do when he would have become the "brave warrior of the sea" after the time skip already? Just "be there" or what? If he reaches his goal so early then he would probably become more and more a side character (see: Naruto).
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2014-03-12, 16:58 | Link #48 |
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I actually understand where Usopp is coming from,it's like in real life,many people suffer MAJOR social anxiety where they're afraid to talk to people,or are too shy,and it doesn't take a day for them to change,it takes years,of course the best way to overcome this is to actually talk to a lot of people.
Same here,he's fighting here and there,obviously he's more confident fighting fodder,but when it comes to real strong opponents,he's going to shit his pants,and it's not like he doesn't have a reason to be afraid,he had his skull broken once and suffered a lot of pain during their journeys.There's a reason only the monster trio control Haki at the moment,because they're strong willed,they're out of the ordinary. |
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2014-03-12, 20:11 | Link #53 |
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Now that Usopp showed himself to everyone as "Usopp of the Straw Hat Pirates", I wonder if he will get a Bounty for himself, and I mean for himself, seperate from "Sogeking". Since many others have such strange things with their bounties (Robin having her bounty increased by just 1 million after EL, Sanji's photo, Chopper's 50 Berri, etc.) it would be a fitting thing IMO. Then at least the people of his village won't be able to deny his "success" anymore.
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2014-03-13, 01:43 | Link #55 |
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That was an okay chapter. I am glad oda got Ussop's issues out of the way in couple chapters. Now I kinda wonder who Ussop will take Sugar out of the way. I personally don't think he will defeat Trebol. Now if he can complete the mission with Sugar then he won't be alone in the battle with Trebol. Kyros story is turning out to be interesting. It should be neat to seem him battle Daflamingo once he is no longer toy soldier. Color Page That was a cool color page for this chapter. Zoro looks like a badass, Robin reminds me of Impel down Officer, and Sanji kinda looks like he got done fighting WW2. You know seeing Zoro in military outfits makes me wish he was actually a Marine instead of a pirate. All you have to do is take that outfit that he is wearing in this color spread and then put a Marine Coat on him. Vice Admiral Zoro (The Pirate Hunter). He has the chose between having Captain Tashigi, Captain Coby , Sanji, or Robin has his subordinate. I always thought those two (Robin or Tashigi) matched Zoro pretty nicely. Zoro's justice can be Deadly(or Extreme) Justice. |
2014-03-13, 03:11 | Link #56 | |
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I'm much more interessted in how exactly the memories are going to come back once Sugar is out. Will it be as sudden as the memory loss, with only the transformed ones even remembering what happened to them? ("Hey Cyros, what are you talking about toys? There never were any toys, you've been with us the whole time") Or will the memories return slowly and everyone remembers that Doffy stole important perople from them. |
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2014-03-13, 09:46 | Link #57 | |
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This is pretty much how I feel, for the most part (I can still see Usopp growing, though). Oda even said himself that he always intended for Usopp to be the "weakest" of the Straw-Hats, so I think it's fitting that he still remain wimpy, no matter how much improvement he gets (whether it's in terms of battle prowess or character growth). Again, I understand why some people are still angry about the last few chapters, but being a coward is just in Usopp's nature. To put it in another way, he's like the lone sheep in a ship full of wolves, heh. Actually, I find it interesting that nobody's hopping mad at Nami for similar reasons as Usopp. She was just as eager to run away from the Dressrosa situation after being attacked by Dofla and the marines (to the point that she was even willing to abandon Luffy, lol). Yet nobody gives her any flack about that? Oh, and another thing: Why do people keep spelling his name like that? It's supposed to be Kyros. Or is this due to Panda/MS being up to their old tricks again? |
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2014-03-13, 09:51 | Link #58 | |
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nami, chopper, usopp has all been shown in the past to be afraid of dangerous situations but usopp has always been the worse... his entire back story is based on him being a coward, he didn't improve at all, still a liar and manipulator. IMO, I don't think nami would have ran away like he did
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Though here's two key factors you have to take into account when comparing other acts of cowardice... First, was it a comedic situation or a serious one. Second, was the character in question abandoning someone who they knew was in immediate danger. Those are the reasons why Ussop's actions were so despicable. It wasn't a comedic situation, so it wasn't just Oda having some fun and trying to get a laugh out of the readers. Furtharmore, the drwaves were in very real and immediate danger, and ussop was abandoning to whatever horrible fate might be in store for them. Part of what makes the comedic cowardice fun is the fact that the stakes are low at the moment; the character may be running away, but their running away will cause no harm. I never asked that Ussop never ever show fear. I have been asking for gradual change from the beginning. Abandoning his allies is low even for him; heck I wouldn't even expect pre-timeskip ussop to do something THAT low. Why couldn't ussop for instance instead make just a strategic retreat to plan his counter attack, while showing that he is worried about how strong Trebol is? That would show that he still has some cowardice in him (thus show he still has room to grow), but at the same time, show his growth since he isn't so scared that he would outright run away from such situation. And also show some fricken' backbone for the fodder; stop being scared of every little thing and save his fears for the bigger fish. Gradual growth. [edit] Quote:
This is not a case of "character abandoning her friends out of cowardice", but "lets all have fun and a good laugh". This is very much unlike What ussop did, running away when the dwarves were in a VERY dire situation Whether what is going on is completely serious, or comedic, completely changes the tone of what's going on. From what we've seen of Nami in the past, she would not have run away like Ussop did in a serious situation. When Oda wants to have fun, Nami can be a coward, but when things are serious, she steps up even against foes that should frighten her. Why? Because in a serious situation, she knows there is too much at stake for her to be running away. Ussop himself, should have reached that point by now.
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