One Piece New World: Fishman Island Arc discussion (Anime-only)

[Kizoku Keenan]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Holy cow! That was so reckless of Otohime. Leaving her children behind like that to go off with a known homicidal lunatic. I can understand that she wants peace, but that was very unintelligent. I wonder if there is a political message in all of this?

Wow, awesome ability by Shirahoshi. Definitely want her as part of the Straw Hats crew now. Oh, btw, Vander Dekken is still a child predator.

I can't see shirahoshi being part of the straw hat crew....she's to big and luffy doesn't like her remember she's a coward etc.

I love how even the way the celestial dragons are drawn make you hate them so much, watching this episode made me want to go back and re watch the episode where Luffy punched one of those bums.

I'm guessing we will finally see how Otohime will finally die next week I really thought it was going to happen in this episode, I thought the celestial dragon would shoot her.

I wasn't expecting shirahoshi to have any kind of Haki power but to be able to control the sea kings is pretty awesome.

Good episode I just can't wait to get away from these flash backs even though they have answered some good questions in one piece lore & history.

[ookamigirl]

Celestial Dragon on fishman island.
That guy was totally despicable just like is daddy.
If I were them I'd give him a taste of what's it like to be a slave.
Queen Otohime was acting rashly 'cause that guy was not worth protecting.
It's sad she didn't realize not all humans are good & are willing to change.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Holy cow! That was so reckless of Otohime. Leaving her children behind like that to go off with a known homicidal lunatic. I can understand that she wants peace, but that was very unintelligent.

How so? Her intent is only to temporarily leave and negotiate with the world nobles/world government to better the relations between humans and fishmen/merfolk. And her children are being left with King Neptune, so I don't see what the issue here is. Furthermore, no one but her will undertake this initiative; if she wants further progress with peace, then this is necessary to do.

[ars89]

Oh man Shirahoshi can control the sea kings!

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

How so? Her intent is only to temporarily leave and negotiate with the world nobles/world government to better the relations between humans and fishmen/merfolk. And her children are being left with King Neptune, so I don't see what the issue here is. Furthermore, no one but her will undertake this initiative; if she wants further progress with peace, then this is necessary to do.

She did not even take anyone strong to protect her. It was a wreckless move. She was risking her life, and she did not even realize it. She already saw how dangerous the Celestial Dragon is. She already heard about the evils and travesty that they do through Tiger Fisher, Jimbei, and probably some of the survivors. He put a gun to her head.

Sorry, but that constitute wrecklessness and unintelligence to take a huge risk like that without any form of protection.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

She did not even take anyone strong to protect her. It was a wreckless move. She was risking her life, and she did not even realize it. She already saw how dangerous the Celestial Dragon is. She already heard about the evils and travesty that they do through Tiger Fisher, Jimbei, and probably some of the survivors. He put a gun to her head.

Sorry, but that constitute wrecklessness and unintelligence to take a huge risk like that without any form of protection.

Quite frankly, the fishman/merfolk race aren't anything to brag about when it comes to strength. The only noteworthy individual is Jimbei; besides him, the rest amount to weaklings in the grand scheme of things. So having someone "strong" accompany her wouldn't help anything.

I believe she was quite aware of the risk she was taking. She was venturing out into complete unknown territory as far as she was concerned, but that was the whole point. She was trying to show that the fishmen/merfolk race don't mean any harm and aren't a malicious/violent species. Going all by herself with no protection would all the more reinforce that point.

This was all deliberate on her part, meaning that she knew very well what she was getting herself into.

You also haven't seen the outcome of this endeavor yet. Perhaps you should withhold your judgement before passing her off as reckless and unintelligent.

[Dist]

I don't remember the last time I enjoyed OP. These fillers are really getting on my nerves.. Well, from what I hear this happened in manga too so it's not technically a filler .. But sure seems like it to me when they spend like 10 episodes just explaining about the past and after the fishman arc is over, no one will remember or care about this anymore so this is just really annoying.

With that said, when is the ACTUAL STORY going to continue?

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Originally Posted by Dist

I don't remember the last time I enjoyed OP. These fillers are really getting on my nerves.. Well, from what I hear this happened in manga too so it's not technically a filler .. But sure seems like it to me when they spend like 10 episodes just explaining about the past and after the fishman arc is over, no one will remember or care about this anymore so this is just really annoying.

With that said, when is the ACTUAL STORY going to continue?

The history of the Fishman/Merfolk race had been built up for a VERY LONG time. That being said, you should have expected that Oda would spend a decent amount of time explaining lots of things. The flashback is almost over, so just be patient.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

You also haven't seen the outcome of this endeavor yet. Perhaps you should withhold your judgement before passing her off as reckless and unintelligent.

Regardless of the outcome, it was a reckless move in the first place. The author can make up any outcome he wishes; it is his story afterall. However, from a normal perspective, it was unwise, and the people around her should have known better. She has a good heart, but she is not blessed with the know how to maximize it, as seen from her many attempts and failures.

Of course, I expect Luffy and the crew to somehow fix all that.

[Crimson Reaper]

Originally Posted by Dist

I don't remember the last time I enjoyed OP. These fillers are really getting on my nerves.. Well, from what I hear this happened in manga too so it's not technically a filler .. But sure seems like it to me when they spend like 10 episodes just explaining about the past and after the fishman arc is over, no one will remember or care about this anymore so this is just really annoying.

With that said, when is the ACTUAL STORY going to continue?

NOTHING has been filler so far, you are watching the 'actual story'. One Piece has always been very detailed about the world its in and its history. There have always been lots of flashbacks and explainations of the past in just about every arc. The whole Fishman/Human hate issue began all the way back to the Arlong arc so you can't expect to come to the Fishman Island arc without an explanation.

One Piece isn't a constant slugfest, it's about the story of many people and the past that made them.

[Frenchie]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

You also haven't seen the outcome of this endeavor yet. Perhaps you should withhold your judgement before passing her off as reckless and unintelligent.

No I think you're defending the indefensible here, when I read the manga I also immediately reacted and thought that was a terribly stupid thing to do. Just because Oda is an amazing storyteller doesn't mean that Otohime's decision was logical. It wasn't. Just because it turned out for the best in the end doesn't mean it wasn't reckless/risky and it certainly had plenty of potential to put FI in jeopardy.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Originally Posted by Frenchie

No I think you're defending the indefensible here, when I read the manga I also immediately reacted and thought that was a terribly stupid thing to do. Just because Oda is an amazing storyteller doesn't mean that Otohime's decision was logical. It wasn't. Just because it turned out for the best in the end doesn't mean it wasn't reckless/risky and it certainly had plenty of potential to put FI in jeopardy.

I already conceded that it was risky, but that was the whole point. The segregation of Fishmen/Merfolk and humans wasn't helping matters. The only real progress that was made was Jimbei becoming a shichibukai, but even then the problem still perpetuated. And putting FI in jeopardy is out of the question seeing as how it was under WB's protection at this point, and the WG wouldn't want to risk a conflict/confrontation with him.

And with that being said, how else do you propose Otohime would try to negotiate with the World Nobles/World Government? Because obviously distant communications weren't doing anything for the Fishmen/Merfolk race. While it may have been an audacious move on Otohime's part, she was being realistic at the same time too. Direct contact had to be made ON THE SURFACE to more convincingly negotiate.

[Kizoku Keenan]

Originally Posted by Crimson Reaper

One Piece isn't a constant slugfest, it's about the story of many people and the past that made them.

Amen to that brother/sister =)

[Frenchie]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

And putting FI in jeopardy is out of the question seeing as how it was under WB's protection at this point, and the WG wouldn't want to risk a conflict/confrontation with him.

And if a resident of FI willingly throws themselves in the arms of the WG, Whitebeard will come forth for war? It took the capture of Ace to do that and I don't believe it's in Whitebeard's character to actually go out of his way for Otohime.

She could have been used for ransoming.

And with that being said, how else do you propose Otohime would try to negotiate with the World Nobles/World Government? Because obviously distant communications weren't doing anything for the Fishmen/Merfolk race. While it may have been an audacious move on Otohime's part, she was being realistic at the same time too. Direct contact had to be made ON THE SURFACE to more convincingly negotiate.

I don't have a convincing alternative and that's why Otohime's decision (Which I also didn't think of as an alternative) was such a gamble. She gambled on the good will of the Celestial Dragons of all people. Given our prior experience with them, that was the last thing I would ever have thought of to improve relations between Humans and Fishmen.

[~Yami~]

wherever I see Tenryuubito, I feel an urge to kill them....

yeah... it's a long flashback episode but I respect Fisher Tiger, Neptune, Otohime, and Jimbei so far

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Frenchie

And if a resident of FI willingly throws themselves in the arms of the WG, Whitebeard will come forth for war? It took the capture of Ace to do that and I don't believe it's in Whitebeard's character to actually go out of his way for Otohime.

She could have been used for ransoming.

Agreed. Whitebeard is a good shield if it's FI that's being attacked. If their Queen is held for ransom or even worse turned into a slave (due to her own stupidity) there isn't a reason for Whitebeard to put his life and his crew on the line for it. Even worse her actions could have forced FI to go to war against the World Government to try and get her back and we can imagine how badly that would do.

I don't have a convincing alternative and that's why Otohime's decision (Which I also didn't think of as an alternative) was such a gamble. She gambled on the good will of the Celestial Dragons of all people. Given our prior experience with them, that was the last thing I would ever have thought of to improve relations between Humans and Fishmen.

It is too bad there wasn't some better solution, but that doesn't means she should take a dangerous choice. Otohime wasn't just gambling on her own life, but possibly the very existence of her kingdom.

Agree that putting this gamble on the good will of a Celestial Dragon is really pushing it. It's good to want to make changes for the betterment of her people and the children of the next generation, but there has to be a line. You don't go to a point that might destroy your country or at least damage the lives of those close to you just to improve things.

I'm really not surprised that she's going to die sooner or later. Someone as utterly reckless as that is on borrowed time in the first place.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Agreed. Whitebeard is a good shield if it's FI that's being attacked. If their Queen is held for ransom or even worse turned into a slave (due to her own stupidity) there isn't a reason for Whitebeard to put his life and his crew on the line for it. Even worse her actions could have forced FI to go to war against the World Government to try and get her back and we can imagine how badly that would do.

I agree with how dangerous of a situation this could potentially put Fishman Island in. At the whim of the Celestial Dragons, she could be turned into a slave, and we all know that they will do whatever they want, regardless of the consequences. If anything, they will force the Marines to go to war if need be just to satisfy their whims.

Btw, I did not recall that Whitebeard was protecting Fishman Island at this point. If he was, shouldn't residents recognize that and react a little better towards humans?

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

WB didn't involve himself with the internal/political affairs of FI. That wasn't his job nor responsibility. He only protected FI from attacking pirates. What I'm saying with this is that the WG wouldn't actually try to attack/destroy FI, seeing as how that would essentially be tantamount to declaring war with WB.

In any case, the whole point of Otohime's actions are that if there' no progress towards solving a problem, then one has to make a statement and take initiative to get things going somewhere. Otherwise, the problem will only continue and things will go nowhere.

It's about making an impact and doing something (regardless of how effective the attempt is), not waiting for something to happen. This is the whole message Oda is conveying to his audience.

[thundrakkon]

I would have been believing it more Jinbei volunteered to come along to "observe" things as a shikibukai. I understand the need for change, but measures should have been taken to at least ensure her safety.

[Acadia]

These current episodes just aren't entertaining. It's like watching a documentary you don't care to watch. It's terrible. If you skip to the last 5 minutes of the show you get the gist of the whole episode since the rest of it is just OMG WOW reactions which are SO PAINFUL to watch from this show anymore. One or two reactions are fine, 400 of them back to back is fucking stupid.

It might just be better to read the manga. The anime is completely ruining this great story.