Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood - Episode 59 Discussion/Poll

[DragoZERO]

Way, I did not see Mustang losing his eyesight at all. I thought it was always organs and alike. Guess they took his ocular nerves and all. I also didn't know what they took from Izumi either. Truth sure is a frakker.

Okay, how can someone be forced to do a transmutation like that? This makes no sense.

[Haladflire65]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Way, I did not see Mustang losing his eyesight at all. I thought it was always organs and alike. Guess they took his ocular nerves and all. I also didn't know what they took from Izumi either. Truth sure is a frakker.

Okay, how can someone be forced to do a transmutation like that? This makes no sense.

Pride, having swallowed Kimblee, has an alchemist's knowledge and thus was able to activate the transmutation circle. They used Goldtooth as the, er, subject of human transmutation, I guess you could say? Roy was in the circle so he was the one who went through the gate and paid the toll.

[Vicious108]

Basically Pride was the one who did the transmutation (and thus has also suffered some consequences as seen by his decaying flesh in this episode) but since Mustang was in the center of the transmutation circle with his hands pinned down against it and thus in contact with it, he was also a part of it and Pride and Mustang did it together, even if with the latter it was forcibly. Kinda like how Ed and Al both did their human transmutation together.

At least, that's my interpretation of it. I don't think it was ever fully explained how the process truly worked.

Also, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Kimblee Wrath was refering to when he said Pride had assimilated an alchemist who possessed the knowledge of human transmutation. First of all because I can't see Kimblee having that kind of knowledge or any interest in acquiring it. Second because Wrath had absolutely no way of knowing Pride had swallowed Kimblee, since that was the first time they talked after it happened.

The alchemist Wrath's refering to is Goldtooth himself I think. Much like Pride could enter Al's mind by wrapping his shadowy "tentacles" around, doing it with Goldtooth must've given him his knowledge.

[CuXe]

AW DAM! Memorial day (in the US) felt so much like Sunday I totally forgot that a new EP of FMA was out today.... lol... watching now

[Rika24]

loved the ep, just as much as i loved the chapter

[Jeffry2009]

@Haladflire65: This isn't fair & doesn't make sense. To me that how could that Pride killed Dr evil goldtooth for good until both pride & Wrath takes over his place & make Mustang gone blind?

Is this exactly what Pride is all about right?

[dec4rhapsody]

Originally Posted by Jeffry2009

@Haladflire65: This isn't fair & doesn't make sense. To me that how could that Pride killed Dr evil goldtooth for good until both pride & Wrath takes over his place & make Mustang gone blind?

Is this exactly what Pride is all about right?

Yeah it IS quite unfair, that's what Ed was ranting about.
And Pride also paid his price.

[CuXe]

Aw man that sucks so much, Mustang went blind. Oh well, at least he still has the ever sweet Riza right?

[LMN]

I have a question. I'm a bit confuse on one part. with Al went through the gate, he got the chance to reunite with his body to get back what he lost, but then what about Izumi & Ed.

[Dead Cake]

Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

Basically Pride was the one who did the transmutation (and thus has also suffered some consequences as seen by his decaying flesh in this episode) but since Mustang was in the center of the transmutation circle with his hands pinned down against it and thus in contact with it, he was also a part of it and Pride and Mustang did it together, even if with the latter it was forcibly. Kinda like how Ed and Al both did their human transmutation together.

Also Lin and Envy didn't transmutate anything when they went through the gate in the Gluttony arc. And Mei said that if Hawkeye tried to save Mustang she'd get sucked in. So in this case Pride was the one who transmutated but since they didn't use the philosopher's stone, Mustang had to pay the toll.

[DragoZERO]

Ah...I see. They made it sound like Mustand was forced to do it, but he didn't. They just used him as the toll. Didn't think a homunculus could transmutate, must be the original series clouding my judgment.

[White Manju Bun]

I now see how Mustang was going to be used in the first place, I figured Father had a back up plan since like I said in epi 58, it didnt seem like this plan would work. Damn poor Mustang

"Something bad is coming"

Me: what the hell could be worse then Bradley???

*Pride drops in*

Me: Oh, him.

Originally Posted by Jeffry2009

@Haladflire65: This isn't fair & doesn't make sense. To me that how could that Pride killed Dr evil goldtooth for good until both pride & Wrath takes over his place & make Mustang gone blind?

Since when has anything in this series been fair? Thats what makes it great.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by White Manju Bun

"Something bad is coming"

Me: what the hell could be worse then Bradley???

*Pride drops in*

Me: Oh, him.

I completely forgot about Pride at this point in the manga (i was a bit focused on the current events at hand), so i'm glad that effect is still there for the adaptation.

[Jeffry2009]

Originally Posted by White Manju Bun

Since when has anything in this series been fair? Thats what makes it great.

I just meant that How could that Pride killed his own partner like when was the last time we saw Gluttony & Kimblee being eaten by Pride? Like Dec4Rhapsody said,

Originally Posted by dec4rhapsody

Yeah it IS quite unfair, that's what Ed was ranting about.
And Pride also paid his price.

And I think the Homonculus set Dr goldtooth's up. No wonder Pride killed his own enemy.

[kitten320]

I thought the title of this episode made it kinda clear of what was about to happen.

[White Manju Bun]

Originally Posted by Jeffry2009

I just meant that How could that Pride killed his own partner like when was the last time we saw Gluttony & Kimblee being eaten by Pride? Like Dec4Rhapsody said,



And I think the Homonculus set Dr goldtooth's up. No wonder Pride killed his own enemy.

I see, I didnt read all the way up, thanks for the explanation. Yeah it was obvious he was set up, since I didnt know that watching 58 thats why I originally questioned Father's plan. I kinda forgot about Pride

Originally Posted by Shiroth

I completely forgot about Pride at this point in the manga (i was a bit focused on the current events at hand), so i'm glad that effect is still there for the adaptation.

Id totally forgotten about him! Actually when I saw the eyes and I thought maybe it was Father til you see the legs drop and its obviously Pride and then I was like...theyre screwed

[Kirarakim]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Didn't think a homunculus could transmutate, must be the original series clouding my judgment.

Yes that was a first series thing but I should clarify that none of the homunculus are alchemists. Pride was only able to do it after he absorbed Kimbley (and I am assuming he has to absorb Goldtooth to know how to do a human transmutation).

If you remember when we first met Selim (before we know he is Pride) he says he wants to learn alchemy to help father. A little bit of foreshadowing there.

[FlareKnight]

I hadn't forgotten about Pride, but I didn't expect he'd show up right there. I'm with Ed it really is ridiculously unfair. Mustang keeps fighting and refuses to open the gate and still ends up like that. Of course as anyone knows life really isn't fair. How the heck is he going to run a country in that state? Olivier better survive now since she's pretty much got the new leader position in the bag. A pretty damn effective way to eliminate one of the most powerful threats.

A pretty tough situation now to deal with. Hohenheim is unable to do anything, Mustang can't see, and now Father has all the sacrifices needed to start his plan up. This is definitely not a good spot.

[CuXe]

Maybe the following statement will make me look old lol but was anyone here reminded of the opening scene of Indiana Jones - Temple of Doom in relation to the scene where Mei Ling was trying to catch the liquid philosopher stone and she couldn't cause it was kicked all over the place just as she got closer to it?

In temple of Doom it was this chick trying to get some sort of jewel or something like that if I recall correctly:

Spoiler for PICTURES:

This is the actual scene I am referring to:





NOT a party but the scene that brought back that memory:

The moment I saw that scene in this EP of FMA ...I was immediately reminded of T.O.D. ... maybe because it was one of the first movies I ever saw as a child and because that was the first time I fell in love with a hot movie actress.. I was like 4-5yo LOL

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by CuXe

Maybe the following statement will make me look old lol but was anyone here reminded of the opening scene of Indiana Jones - Temple of Doom in relation to the scene where Mei Ling was trying to catch the liquid philosopher stone and she couldn't cause it was kicked all over the place just as she got closer to it?

In temple of Doom it was this chick trying to get some sort of jewel or something like that if I recall correctly:

Spoiler for PICTURES:

This is the actual scene I am referring to:





NOT a party but the scene that brought back that memory:

The moment I saw that scene in this EP of FMA ...I was immediately reminded of T.O.D. ... maybe because it was one of the first movies I ever saw as a child and because that was the first time I fell in love with a hot movie actress.. I was like 4-5yo LOL

Temple of Doom sucked (although not as bad as Crystal Skull), so I hadn't thought of that scene, but there were certainly similarities. Of course, it's not that uncommon a trope. I'd be willing to bet it's got a decent sized entry over on TV Tropes.