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Kizo · 2004-01-31, 22:29

Rurouni Kenshin.
I own the entire anime and I must say it's one of the best series there is.
But my question is; is it the same ending in the Manga? Or does the manga continue or something?

wao · 2004-01-31, 22:39

Regarding the TV series: The last 30 something episodes were never featured in the manga and are regarded to be teh worst part of the TV series by most. However, after the Kyoto arc (Shishio and all that) there is still a continuation in the manga, which is supposed to be portrayed in two OVAs...

Tsuiokuhen (It's actually a prequel kind of thing, talking about Kenshin's past, however it was narrated by Kenshin in the later part of the manga, not earlier.) which was released... bah, don't remember.

and

Seisouhen (Which, at least in my opinion, badly compressed the last arc of the manga, leaving out cool things like Rakuninmura... The whole Enishi thing was in the last part of the manga along with the Kenshin's past thing, though they are not the same story and therefore are in two OVAs. After the compressed part of the manga story in this OVA, was the other non-manga part regarding Kenshin's life after the manga. I warn you it's pretty sad... there are a fair number of people who weren't very happy with how they just decided the series' ending just like that, without, I believe, Watsuki (the manga author)'s content.) which was released in 2001 or 2002, I can't really remember...

I recommend you read the manga, it's really quite nice. Tsuiokuhen is also very worth watching.

I'm not 10000000% on Kenshin's past being told only in the Jinchuu arc of the manga, but from what I remember it was like that... haven't read the manga in some time ^^;

Kizo · 2004-01-31, 22:47

Ah.
Tsuiokuhen is "Trust" and "Betrayal" I presume and Seisouhen is "Reflection".
I've seen it all.
But I don't care about Seisouhen since the original author was against the whole idea. (PS. Seisouhen sucks.)
Well, thanks.

Master Ran · 2004-01-31, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizo

Ah.
Tsuiokuhen is "Trust" and "Betrayal" I presume and Seisouhen is "Reflection".
I've seen it all.
But I don't care about Seisouhen since the original author was against the whole idea. (PS. Seisouhen sucks.)
Well, thanks.

Well the author was not exactly against the whole idea. In an interview years ago, he said that he just allowed the director of Seisouhen to do what he wants to the Kenshin story.
And he even said that he was a bit frustrated because the Seisouhen story was more (or somewhat became) interesting than his original one....duh???.

Maybe he was just being careful.
Anyway, i never liked that Seisouhen arc anime. The manga storyline is way way better.

ahh...Kenshin...I haven't watched that anime for like a long time ago...
An anime that made a lot of noise back then, like what naruto (or even FMA) is now.

Master Ran
(aka Mask-enkai)

TangentZ · 2004-01-31, 23:19

I wish I never saw the blasphemy known as the 2-part Seisouhen OVA.

The last third of the manga story (Enishi) is very good. I don't know
why they can't properly animate it and have to ruin the whole experience.

ShadowClone · 2004-02-01, 03:26

The Enishi story arc, aka the "Jinchuu Arc" (Earthly Revenge) is probably the BEST story arc of the entire RK manga, and yes, many RK fans WERE disappointed that because of the CRAP that was those 30+ anime filler eps, the producers decided to end the anime and NOT animate this arc!!

The Seisouhen OVA actually takes place 15 years after the official end of the manga (which I believe SHOULD HAVE BEEN the TRUE ENDING of RK), and basically "trashes" everything that was good about the Tsuikohen OVA and the entire RK series in general.

And yes, the Tsuikohen OVA WAS told in the Jinchuu Arc, in the Chapters called "Memories" (about 15 or so).

Prince of Chronics · 2004-02-01, 03:37

Seisouhen was crap... it portrayed Kenshin and Kaoru in the worst possible light... it showed a weak and useless Kenshin...

I really didn't feel that satisfied at all after watching that piece of shit... the whole Enishi arc was like a 20 minute flashback in Seisouhen.... I was seriously disappointed that Kenshin had to end that way...

**ElvenPath** · 2004-02-01, 05:37

Kenshin is licensed.

-> DVD & Licensed

Thread moved

7thMethuselah · 2004-02-03, 16:45

I liked the Kenshin manga alot more then the anime, just too many useless episodes in the anime. About the OVA the first one about his past is what I consider a masterpiece, the second one I haven't seen yet but from what I've heard of it I don't really wanna go see it either...

Repulse · 2004-02-03, 17:18

I didn't think the OVA ending of kenshin was all that bad, I wasn't wolly satisfied with it, but it's an appropriate ending, and I do like how it portrayed kenshin in an entirely different light. I don't think it should be view as trashing either kaoru or kenshin, by that time, they are older, and thus they should be subjected to the weaknesses of age. I think it made the characters realistic, as oppose to the super-human kenshin that you are use to seeing, this is one who is entirely mortal. My main grief is how they compressed the Jinchuu arc into that little bit, it's like 1/10th of the entire story.

oXKeNsHiNXo · 2004-02-19, 20:49

I agree with u guys. The Seisouhen was kinda disappointing. But after reading the manga ull feel a LOOTTTT better. the manga rocks the pants off the little seisouhen. Tsuioku hen was alrite and followed the manga pretty well. I suggest u get the manga if u can. I got mine in korea so its kinda in korean... and they call battousai bal do je! hahahaha o well.

CrimsonFury · 2004-02-20, 03:39

There was an ending to the whole thing, that is more then we can say for most anime's nowadays. It could've been better yes. Yes almost every episode after the Shishio Saga Sucked!! However It's called draggin things out too long. you guys are reallly expecting way too much form an anime that was 95 eps long. Trust and Betrayal I loved though i'll say that much. BTW word to the wise if you want to save your ears NEVER watch the movie DUBBED eeeeh yikes it made me cry out in pain, worst dubbing ever. Neways 1-60 were GOLD, leave it at that. I own all the eps on DVD I only watch 1-60 cause the rest just suck... OPverall the show was worth the time etc to watch. Alotta great characters with indepth backrounds that we got to get a feel for. Really enjoyed it. Really lone anime's to make it to NA, Kenshin and Inuyasha and um kenshin ya.......On Piece and Naruto will probably come over too. I wont refer to DBZ cause honestly there 276 episodes should have been like 60. Dear God at least Kenshin didn't drag every fight like 6 episode's Eeeh yikes. The most important battl'es were 2-3 max, and those were shishio and Aoshi. Neways it's done get over it. Watch Trust and Betrayal and 1-60 and you'll be happy.

TangentZ · 2004-02-20, 09:57

I think the best fight in the whole series is Kenshin vs Saitou, when they fought in the Kamiya Dojo. The reason is that this was the one time when Kenshin went back to his Battousai mentality and ready to kill.

The final showdown with Shishio ended too strangely for my taste.

With Enishi, it was all "I want to repay for my past crimes".

Wilcon · 2004-03-11, 08:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Repulse

I didn't think the OVA ending of kenshin was all that bad, I wasn't wolly satisfied with it, but it's an appropriate ending, and I do like how it portrayed kenshin in an entirely different light. I don't think it should be view as trashing either kaoru or kenshin, by that time, they are older, and thus they should be subjected to the weaknesses of age. I think it made the characters realistic, as oppose to the super-human kenshin that you are use to seeing, this is one who is entirely mortal. My main grief is how they compressed the Jinchuu arc into that little bit, it's like 1/10th of the entire story.

I agree, and i didn´t dislike the anime OVA ending at all.
It was alot better than the ending of episode 95, which i didnt see as a real ending, it was just like an ending of many other episodes of kenshin.

Spoiler:

Kingpincollector · 2004-03-13, 13:15

Butr I can only find it in Japanese, which I can't read. Does anyone know where I can find it in English?

microlith · 2004-03-13, 13:18

VIZ is translating/releasing it now. You can order volumes from most places online that sell books, or try finding them at your local bookstore.

Grungir · 2006-10-26, 09:32

Yay, 2 years after the fact! lol
Just got done with the series and OVAs.
Im not too sure I liked what happened in Seisouhen.....

Spoiler:

ThisIsDream · 2006-10-30, 16:36

If u have read the series Ova or manga u would know what kind of guy Kenshin is, But at the end he went to War in China. I would expect ShiShiO would be the one who go to war. if u know a lil bit history if Asia, u would know what Japanese did.

Guardian Enzo · 2006-10-30, 19:30

Just remember that the OVAs are completely unrelated to Watsuki-san's vision of the characters.

ShadowClone · 2006-11-01, 01:12

Hmm...this got me to thinking: IF, ( by some sort of divine miracle that I wish WOULD happen!

) they did decide to animate the Jinchuu Arc from the manga TODAY, would people still watch it? I know I would!

For a title, probably...Rurouni Kenshin: Jinchuu (unoriginal yes, but it sounds cool!)

2004-01-31, 22:29	Link #1
Kizo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sweden Age: 37	Rurouni Kenshin ending? Rurouni Kenshin. I own the entire anime and I must say it's one of the best series there is. But my question is; is it the same ending in the Manga? Or does the manga continue or something?

2004-02-01, 03:37	Link #7
Prince of Chronics One Piece fan Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada	Seisouhen was crap... it portrayed Kenshin and Kaoru in the worst possible light... it showed a weak and useless Kenshin... I really didn't feel that satisfied at all after watching that piece of shit... the whole Enishi arc was like a 20 minute flashback in Seisouhen.... I was seriously disappointed that Kenshin had to end that way... __________________ MyAnimeList page

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2004-02-20, 09:57	Link #13
TangentZ 神の一手 Join Date: Nov 2003	I think the best fight in the whole series is Kenshin vs Saitou, when they fought in the Kamiya Dojo. The reason is that this was the one time when Kenshin went back to his Battousai mentality and ready to kill. The final showdown with Shishio ended too strangely for my taste. With Enishi, it was all "I want to repay for my past crimes". __________________ 飛天御剣流ー天翔龍閃

2004-03-13, 13:15	Link #15
Kingpincollector Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas Age: 43	I've been trying to get the manga Butr I can only find it in Japanese, which I can't read. Does anyone know where I can find it in English?

2004-01-31, 22:39	Link #2
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 34	Regarding the TV series: The last 30 something episodes were never featured in the manga and are regarded to be teh worst part of the TV series by most. However, after the Kyoto arc (Shishio and all that) there is still a continuation in the manga, which is supposed to be portrayed in two OVAs... Tsuiokuhen (It's actually a prequel kind of thing, talking about Kenshin's past, however it was narrated by Kenshin in the later part of the manga, not earlier.) which was released... bah, don't remember. and Seisouhen (Which, at least in my opinion, badly compressed the last arc of the manga, leaving out cool things like Rakuninmura... The whole Enishi thing was in the last part of the manga along with the Kenshin's past thing, though they are not the same story and therefore are in two OVAs. After the compressed part of the manga story in this OVA, was the other non-manga part regarding Kenshin's life after the manga. I warn you it's pretty sad... there are a fair number of people who weren't very happy with how they just decided the series' ending just like that, without, I believe, Watsuki (the manga author)'s content.) which was released in 2001 or 2002, I can't really remember... I recommend you read the manga, it's really quite nice. Tsuiokuhen is also very worth watching. I'm not 10000000% on Kenshin's past being told only in the Jinchuu arc of the manga, but from what I remember it was like that... haven't read the manga in some time ^^;

2004-01-31, 22:47	Link #3
Kizo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sweden Age: 37	Ah. Tsuiokuhen is "Trust" and "Betrayal" I presume and Seisouhen is "Reflection". I've seen it all. But I don't care about Seisouhen since the original author was against the whole idea. (PS. Seisouhen sucks.) Well, thanks.

2004-01-31, 23:19	Link #5
TangentZ 神の一手 Join Date: Nov 2003	I wish I never saw the blasphemy known as the 2-part Seisouhen OVA. The last third of the manga story (Enishi) is very good. I don't know why they can't properly animate it and have to ruin the whole experience.

2004-02-01, 03:26	Link #6
ShadowClone Genin Featherweight Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Konoha Boxing Gym (KBG)	The Enishi story arc, aka the "Jinchuu Arc" (Earthly Revenge) is probably the BEST story arc of the entire RK manga, and yes, many RK fans WERE disappointed that because of the CRAP that was those 30+ anime filler eps, the producers decided to end the anime and NOT animate this arc!! The Seisouhen OVA actually takes place 15 years after the official end of the manga (which I believe SHOULD HAVE BEEN the TRUE ENDING of RK), and basically "trashes" everything that was good about the Tsuikohen OVA and the entire RK series in general. And yes, the Tsuikohen OVA WAS told in the Jinchuu Arc, in the Chapters called "Memories" (about 15 or so).

2004-02-03, 16:45	Link #9
7thMethuselah Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Antwerp area, Belgium, Europa Age: 48	I liked the Kenshin manga alot more then the anime, just too many useless episodes in the anime. About the OVA the first one about his past is what I consider a masterpiece, the second one I haven't seen yet but from what I've heard of it I don't really wanna go see it either...

2004-02-03, 17:18	Link #10
Repulse Lagrange's stepchild Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Inside a cyclic group of order n	I didn't think the OVA ending of kenshin was all that bad, I wasn't wolly satisfied with it, but it's an appropriate ending, and I do like how it portrayed kenshin in an entirely different light. I don't think it should be view as trashing either kaoru or kenshin, by that time, they are older, and thus they should be subjected to the weaknesses of age. I think it made the characters realistic, as oppose to the super-human kenshin that you are use to seeing, this is one who is entirely mortal. My main grief is how they compressed the Jinchuu arc into that little bit, it's like 1/10th of the entire story.

2004-02-19, 20:49	Link #11
oXKeNsHiNXo Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle WA... well Federal Way Age: 37	I agree with u guys. The Seisouhen was kinda disappointing. But after reading the manga ull feel a LOOTTTT better. the manga rocks the pants off the little seisouhen. Tsuioku hen was alrite and followed the manga pretty well. I suggest u get the manga if u can. I got mine in korea so its kinda in korean... and they call battousai bal do je! hahahaha o well.

2004-02-20, 03:39	Link #12
CrimsonFury Behold the Fury Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 39	There was an ending to the whole thing, that is more then we can say for most anime's nowadays. It could've been better yes. Yes almost every episode after the Shishio Saga Sucked!! However It's called draggin things out too long. you guys are reallly expecting way too much form an anime that was 95 eps long. Trust and Betrayal I loved though i'll say that much. BTW word to the wise if you want to save your ears NEVER watch the movie DUBBED eeeeh yikes it made me cry out in pain, worst dubbing ever. Neways 1-60 were GOLD, leave it at that. I own all the eps on DVD I only watch 1-60 cause the rest just suck... OPverall the show was worth the time etc to watch. Alotta great characters with indepth backrounds that we got to get a feel for. Really enjoyed it. Really lone anime's to make it to NA, Kenshin and Inuyasha and um kenshin ya.......On Piece and Naruto will probably come over too. I wont refer to DBZ cause honestly there 276 episodes should have been like 60. Dear God at least Kenshin didn't drag every fight like 6 episode's Eeeh yikes. The most important battl'es were 2-3 max, and those were shishio and Aoshi. Neways it's done get over it. Watch Trust and Betrayal and 1-60 and you'll be happy.

2004-03-13, 13:18	Link #16
microlith Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Folsom, CA Age: 41	VIZ is translating/releasing it now. You can order volumes from most places online that sell books, or try finding them at your local bookstore.

2006-10-26, 09:32	Link #17
Grungir Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	Yay, 2 years after the fact! lol Just got done with the series and OVAs. Im not too sure I liked what happened in Seisouhen..... Spoiler: More than anything else, I am somewhat pissed that they put Kaoru through all that. I understand that Kenshin's past weighs heavily on him and therefore his relationships but with the general lightheartedness of the series I feel this was too big a step. It almost makes me wish K&K never got together.... almost. Bah! I guess im just romanticizing the thing too much (I wanted Kaoru to be happy in the fairytale way) Im even OK with how Kenshin died... nobody could beat him so a disease had to take him out. I think ill just have to give it a few days to sink in

2006-10-30, 16:36	Link #18
ThisIsDream Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	The ending of Rurouni Kenshin ruin the image of Kenshin If u have read the series Ova or manga u would know what kind of guy Kenshin is, But at the end he went to War in China. I would expect ShiShiO would be the one who go to war. if u know a lil bit history if Asia, u would know what Japanese did. Last edited by ThisIsDream; 2006-11-02 at 22:37.

2006-10-30, 19:30	Link #19
Guardian Enzo Seishu's Ace Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kobe, Japan	Just remember that the OVAs are completely unrelated to Watsuki-san's vision of the characters.

2006-11-01, 01:12	Link #20
ShadowClone Genin Featherweight Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Konoha Boxing Gym (KBG)	Hmm...this got me to thinking: IF, ( by some sort of divine miracle that I wish WOULD happen! ) they did decide to animate the Jinchuu Arc from the manga TODAY, would people still watch it? I know I would! For a title, probably...Rurouni Kenshin: Jinchuu (unoriginal yes, but it sounds cool!)