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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 31 | 38.27% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 24 | 29.63% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 13.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 14.81% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.23% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 2.47% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-06-03, 23:13 | Link #62 | |
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You might want to rewatch the series again (blu-ray version, preferrably) after everything is over and you probably would discover more to Kiritsugu's character than you would've seen the first time around. Actually, majority of Kiritsugu's characterization in the novels comes from the third-person narration, which can't be translated into animation without a similar third-person narrator. Instead, they use his character expressions when he's alone to indicate that there's something wrong with him when he's actively working. It's rather subtle. |
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2012-06-03, 23:25 | Link #63 |
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It looks like the 4 last contestants are fighting consecutively at the same time. I previously thought Rider was the first to go in this episode. Now its pretty much set that Archer vs. Rider and Saber vs. Berserker in the last few.
I like the homo moments between Waver & Rider. Its sort of like a death flag, when he spent all his commands. Reminds me of Aladdin and the Gennie. Spoiler for Milf Orgy:
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2012-06-04, 00:20 | Link #65 |
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Speaking of the Grail, there's literally only one Servant and one Master that's actually serious about having their wishes granted, and that's Saber and Kiritsugu.
Tokiomi simply wants to reach the root, which forgoes the wish-granting ability of the Grail entirely. Archer only wants the Grail because he believes its his. Kayneth wants recognition through this war, and Lancer wants to be able to serve someone successfully. Waver also wants recognition, and Rider wants the Grail just because it's there to take. Kirei has nothing he wants. Nobody cares about Assassin. Kariya wants the wars to end so that Sakura can be free. Berserker seems to only care about attacking Saber. Caster and Uryuu have no interest in the whole thing at all. Kiritsugu needs the Grail to bring about world peace since he will never be able to free himself from his cycle of death otherwise. Saber needs the Grail to give her country a better future. |
2012-06-04, 02:03 | Link #68 |
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He still has Waver giving him mana, I think. He just doesn't have the seals, which are just orders to control an unruly Servant or help achieve an order. But he's still Rider's Master in the sense that he's keeping him in the world and supplied.
Not sure though, it's ambiguous. |
2012-06-04, 02:17 | Link #69 | ||
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Losing the Command Spells really just means what the name implies. Waver cannot control Rider anymore. On the other hand their connection still exists, inclding Rider's anchor to the physical world. He doesn't need Independent Action skill to remain. Quote:
For example Rider (FSN) has B class Independent Action. Comparable to Archer from Fate/Stay Night |
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2012-06-04, 04:09 | Link #70 |
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So the last 3 episodes would be the 2 semis and the one grand final and the award ceremony?
I thought Rider wanted to use the wish to truly materialise in the world and takes the burden off Waver?
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2012-06-04, 06:45 | Link #71 |
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Hopefully we cut down on the remaining players by the next episode. This was somewhat slow for an episode so close to the end.
I'll bring my box of tissues with me next episode as well because people gonna die when they are killed. I know eh D: WTF |
2012-06-04, 18:39 | Link #74 | |
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2012-06-05, 01:34 | Link #78 | |
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Rider wants the grail to be reborn as human again, so he can continue where he left. I could say something else, but naah. Kirei wants to destroy Kiritsugu's wish. Gilgamesh wants to give the Grail to Kirei so he can figure out his wish. You're wrong. They had wishes. Gilles wanted to see Jeanne again. He thought that was Arturia because he was nuts. Uryuu had no clue about it, so he didn't care, but he did have a wish (see his guts). Saber wants to change the past to prevent the fall of her kingdom, there's nothing that tells it'll bring a 'better future'. Both Saber's and Kiritsugu's wishes are pretty dangerous since one will erase over 1000 years of human history out of inability to get over your own fail and the other is a manchild's fantasy that can potentially destroy free will and humanity itself. Just as Kirei put it "any sensible adult" wouldn't do that. In the end, Caster team wishes were the more harmless looking despite all the appearances. While the 'protagonist' team has wishes that endanger the world, even if they look noble in theory.
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2012-06-05, 20:00 | Link #79 |
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Awesome episode.
This is how you do a "setup" episode. Just picture-perfect setup into the final battle(s). I haven't been posting much on Fate/Zero, but I have been following it pretty regularly. What I've really liked about the recent Fate/Zero episodes is the balance within them. Yes, you have your "Dark Tragedy" bits, this being what a lot of people tend to associate with 'Gen Urobuchi'. Those bits have been very compelling, in a way similar to a Greek or Shakespearean Tragedy. But if that was all that Fate/Zero was giving us, I think I'd find this show overly depressing or overly one-dimensional. But that's not all that Fate/Zero is giving us. You also have action scenes and conflicts that are glorious in and of themselves, simply on the level of pure spectacle and "coolness". And, amazingly given who the writer is, you have some scenes in this that actually strike me as a bit heartwarming. A lot of the Waver scenes in this episode were genuinely heartwarming. The friendship that's taken off between Rider and Waver is truly a joy to behold. Now, I don't expect it to end well for Rider/Waver, and I'm not overly hopeful of Waver getting out of this alive, but even so, I think my memories of these two characters will be almost entirely good ones. Should Waver die (I don't know if he does or not, I haven't read the source material) I will find that pretty sad, but I don't think it would erase all the excellent character development I've seen for him, or take a lot away from the bond he's made with Rider. Rider and Waver truly have been the 'ying' to Fate/Zero's general 'yang'; the gregarious light that made sure the show never got too dark for its own good. But then, the darker bits are very well-executed. Speaking of which, I loved the NGE-esque handling of Irisviel. That was masterfully handled by ufotable. 10/10 for Fate/Zero Episode 22. I look forward to the concluding episodes.
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2012-06-06, 00:05 | Link #80 |
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22nd War: All the World's Evil
The more I watched Waver spending one last happy night chatting with the old man on the roof the more I know it'll become harder for me to eventually say goodbye to both he and Rider when this show finally ends in about three to four weeks time.
Without question, Rider and Waver's relationship succeeded the most at becoming the most bountiful amongst all of Master-Servant relationship maturing from that level to the level of friends and comrades, as they demonstrated in this episode. That's how you put creative writing at succeeding to make a setup episode before the grand finalé. Spoiler:
It would also be hard for me to say good-bye to Emiya Kiritsugu once Fate zero ends, because throughout the run of the show he was revealed to be a flawed person just like the rest of us with all facets of his personality properly fleshed or discussed about, including his past. Spoiler:
I believe Kirei gives too much credit to Kiritsugu failing to see that he's just like any other man; he's overestimating Kiritsugu's nature, or maybe his expectations toward Kiritsugu were lowered once learning that latter's wish from Irisviel. It's like the writers were trying to say that a person who has lost everyone can or not ever understand a person who never had anyone from the beginning, however, the reverse isn't true. Spoiler for Irisviel:
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