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00-Raiser · 2011-11-30, 08:46

Oh good. I didn't want her to get knocked out of the tournament yet.

Justin_Brett · 2011-11-30, 10:24

Not only does Vivid show people getting punched, it also shows small children getting punched, by nuns no less.

malekith · 2011-11-30, 11:10

vivio better win srry but after all the half-assed fights shes had and my opinions of miura it would be an insult if vivio lost tbh.

luckely everything points to her winning atleast this fight.
would be kinda pointless tournament if the main charecter lost the first fight that had any meaning and would have to sit on the side lines the next atleast 20 or so chapters

add up that with the exception of 1 fight miura only won due to points while vivio won hers all due to k.o's and we havent even seen 1 new move or a victory with actual meaning yet
that werent no-named filler charecters and 1 draw it wouldnt make sence to have her lose yet

for once the predictableness of this series is actually slightly calming aslong as tsuzuki doesnt pull another signum on us my new year wont be ruined.

P.S shes a student of the wolkenritter and uses a freaking mid-style magic circle says enough.

Akiyoshi · 2011-11-30, 11:30

^ Oh don't worry, the worfenritter curse will have it's effect on Miura, they can't win against important characters xDU

00-Raiser · 2011-11-30, 13:17

Fortunately such curse only exists in Aki's mind.

Vivio's title character powers are what will prevail.

Justin_Brett · 2011-11-30, 15:32

Or it could come down to, uh, personal skill?

00-Raiser · 2011-11-30, 15:33

In a perfect world. Too bad we don't live in a perfect world.

Justin_Brett · 2011-11-30, 15:37

Not in this forum.

00-Raiser · 2011-11-30, 15:49

Not with this manga. If personal skill decided things, Nanoha would have never beaten Fate, Einhart would have never beaten Nove, Vivio would have never tied with Einhart, and Miura wouldn't have beaten Micaiah.

In this case at least both girls are on the same general level, but we know Vivio will win since she's the main character and Muira isn't important enough.

Akiyoshi · 2011-11-30, 15:50

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

Or it could come down to, uh, personal skill?

Actually that's not that unplausible. Miura is a good fighter but seems to rely more on brawns and instinct than actual ability. Vivio on the other hand is a skilled and creative strategist(courtesy of living with the White Devil i guess) who cashes more on play with her strenghts and weaknesses in order to find the way to victory. So i think at first it will look like Miura's going to win only for Vivio to surprise her with a quick.thinked strategy that will allow her to:

a) Making Miura waste her best move in vain and deliver the finishing counter attack or...

b) Somehow tricking Miura into defeating herself.

Justin_Brett · 2011-11-30, 15:53

That first one doesn't really work, what with Fate's exhaustion and Nanoha's training system.

00-Raiser · 2011-11-30, 15:54

Erio beating Fate, then.

Rising Dragon · 2011-11-30, 15:56

Or the Wolkenritter not curbstomping Nanoha and Fate in A's...

00-Raiser · 2011-11-30, 15:59

They did do that. Vita nearly killed Nanoha, remember?

Rising Dragon · 2011-11-30, 16:00

And then failed to beat them in every other match-up since. Fate was only defeated on account of interference.

Justin_Brett · 2011-11-30, 16:09

Fate had a power limiter on and trained Erio herself. And he only hit her one time, he didn't beat her completely.

Akiyoshi · 2011-11-30, 16:11

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

They did do that. Vita nearly killed Nanoha, remember?

I think Rising-kun was trying to be ironic xDU.

Well, there's no need to get deeper into the Wolkenritter's case, they won their first battles due to a combination of superior skill and equipement, and the "skill" part holds true because they still seemed to have an upper hand in battle even after Nanoha and Fate catch up to them in technology(arguably they even surpassed them, RH and Bardiche at that moment becomes devices with all the strenghts of Intelligent AND armed devices).

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

And then failed to beat them in every other match-up since. Fate was only defeated on account of interference.

Nanoha and Fate are equally unable to straight up beat the wolkies up during the rest of the season. Considering Signum can take an Excellion Buster-level attack to the face and keep fighting i'm pretty sure she will be perfectly capable of surviving the clash against Fate's Thunder Smasher and, as Sound Stages confirm, she is.

ViVid is a mixed bag in respect of this. Some battles have ridiculous results but some others are depicted more or less in a plausible manner. Miura is a skilled fighter but is also pretty naive which is a double-edged sword, Micaiah more likely lost to her because she understimated the girl and got surprised with such a humongous attack(kind of reminds me about how Fate got surprised that little Nanoha can pull off such a monstruous spell on her), if Signum MK. II taked Miura seriously all the encounter she probably could have won ash she showed to be able to continuously deal damage to Miura without much effort. When you manage to see Shante VS: Victoria fight you also will have a similar feeling, shante took Victoria by surprise with her unpredictable and agile fightstyle, but just after receiving her first smacking the Thunder Emperor immediately stopped being confident, put herself togheter and coldly tested Shante's abilites and when she finally catched the trick she crushed her in one move.

Victoria quickly ascended to be my favourite of the veterans, because in spite of her looks and usual behavior she's a true sportswoman who knows when to showing off and when to being serious and deliver some good ass-kicking. Probably Micaiah's defeat served as a call of attention to her to not take the newcomers lightly.

Keroko · 2011-11-30, 16:24

I ask only two questions.

First I ask, "when have fights in Nanoha ever not been predictable and reliant on plot devices and main character = victory?"

Then I ask "when has that ever managed to ruin our enjoyment of watching magical girls beating the crap out of eachother?"

Yes, the fights in Vivid are predictable. But as we noted before, predictable does not make a story bad. If the fight between Vivio and Miura is nicely drawn, well storyboarded and just a cool fight to read, really who cares how predictable it is?

Akiyoshi · 2011-11-30, 16:26

As long as Miura manage to reach Corona's level of "Awesome Looser" i will be satisfied xD

Justin_Brett · 2011-11-30, 16:27

I dunno, just makes me kinda irritated when you go all ho-hum about it. Can't really say why.

2011-11-30, 08:46	Link #1521
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Oh good. I didn't want her to get knocked out of the tournament yet. __________________

2011-11-30, 11:30	Link #1524
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	^ Oh don't worry, the worfenritter curse will have it's effect on Miura, they can't win against important characters xDU __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2011-11-30, 13:17	Link #1525
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Fortunately such curse only exists in Aki's mind. Vivio's title character powers are what will prevail. __________________

2011-11-30, 15:33	Link #1527
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	In a perfect world. Too bad we don't live in a perfect world. __________________

2011-11-30, 15:49	Link #1529
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Not with this manga. If personal skill decided things, Nanoha would have never beaten Fate, Einhart would have never beaten Nove, Vivio would have never tied with Einhart, and Miura wouldn't have beaten Micaiah. In this case at least both girls are on the same general level, but we know Vivio will win since she's the main character and Muira isn't important enough. __________________

2011-11-30, 10:24	Link #1522
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Not only does Vivid show people getting punched, it also shows small children getting punched, by nuns no less.

2011-11-30, 11:10	Link #1523
malekith Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008	vivio better win srry but after all the half-assed fights shes had and my opinions of miura it would be an insult if vivio lost tbh. luckely everything points to her winning atleast this fight. would be kinda pointless tournament if the main charecter lost the first fight that had any meaning and would have to sit on the side lines the next atleast 20 or so chapters add up that with the exception of 1 fight miura only won due to points while vivio won hers all due to k.o's and we havent even seen 1 new move or a victory with actual meaning yet that werent no-named filler charecters and 1 draw it wouldnt make sence to have her lose yet for once the predictableness of this series is actually slightly calming aslong as tsuzuki doesnt pull another signum on us my new year wont be ruined. P.S shes a student of the wolkenritter and uses a freaking mid-style magic circle says enough.

2011-11-30, 15:32	Link #1526
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Or it could come down to, uh, personal skill?

2011-11-30, 15:37	Link #1528
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Not in this forum.

2011-11-30, 15:53	Link #1531
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	That first one doesn't really work, what with Fate's exhaustion and Nanoha's training system.

2011-11-30, 15:54	Link #1532
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Erio beating Fate, then. __________________

2011-11-30, 15:56	Link #1533
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Or the Wolkenritter not curbstomping Nanoha and Fate in A's... __________________

2011-11-30, 15:59	Link #1534
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	They did do that. Vita nearly killed Nanoha, remember? __________________

2011-11-30, 16:00	Link #1535
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	And then failed to beat them in every other match-up since. Fate was only defeated on account of interference. __________________

2011-11-30, 16:09	Link #1536
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Fate had a power limiter on and trained Erio herself. And he only hit her one time, he didn't beat her completely.

2011-11-30, 16:24	Link #1538
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	I ask only two questions. First I ask, "when have fights in Nanoha ever not been predictable and reliant on plot devices and main character = victory?" Then I ask "when has that ever managed to ruin our enjoyment of watching magical girls beating the crap out of eachother?" Yes, the fights in Vivid are predictable. But as we noted before, predictable does not make a story bad. If the fight between Vivio and Miura is nicely drawn, well storyboarded and just a cool fight to read, really who cares how predictable it is?

2011-11-30, 16:26	Link #1539
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	As long as Miura manage to reach Corona's level of "Awesome Looser" i will be satisfied xD __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2011-11-30, 16:27	Link #1540
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	I dunno, just makes me kinda irritated when you go all ho-hum about it. Can't really say why.