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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 151 | 62.66% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 52 | 21.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 9.13% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 3.73% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 0.83% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.41% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.41% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.41% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 0.83% | |
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2008-03-13, 19:22 | Link #621 | |
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I second this, so far it's all about the suit when it comes to Meisters piloting. I wish for Al/Hal switch to come out for the remaining 3 episodes. Imagine if that happened during Trans-Am mode. |
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2008-03-13, 19:29 | Link #622 | |
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2008-03-13, 19:36 | Link #623 | |
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So again, Celestial Being and Kira's Gang are doing the same thing but AnimeSuki loves 00 yet hates GSD. I'm gonna have to dig up Sherlock Holmes and revive him with the Dragon Balls to solve this one, my dear Watson.
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2008-03-13, 22:38 | Link #626 |
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But it's not the same. Superficially the similarities are there, but the concept of the Clyne Faction aka Three Ship Alliance and Celestial Being is completely different. Celestial Being is a secret organization CREATED for that purpose that has had 200 years to prepare for it. It has been their mission from the very beginning, the founding doctrine of their group. It uses Gundams designed by the best minds in the world as Superweapons to perform armed intervention in conflicts that would preempt or incite war. In GS/GSD, the Three Ship Alliance was a "rag-tag" formation of EA, ZAFT and Orb runaways and defectors brought together by fate that banded under Lacus Clyne to prevent the EA and ZAFT from annihiliting each other in an already raging war, using stolen equipment and technologies against their enemies. Also, there is the presentation of each group. As much as I enjoyed GSD as much as I do 00 now, there is clearly a difference. The Clyne Faction in GSD is ultimately portrayed as the morally superior choice when going out in interventions against the tyrannical EA and the insidious ZAFT, two powers under which the world would've been a much worse place. Celestial Being has always been portrayed as a questionable "necessary evil" in a world already striving to recover from several wars, with three major power blocs who have little beef on each other and who are all just working for the good of their respective nations. It is not my place to judge your tastes or others, but saying that 00 and GSD are similar is inaccurate and unfair to both shows. People like one more than the other exactly because there are major differences between the two once you get past the superficial similarities that you seem to be basing the two on. Also, if you like GSD yet hate 00, do whatever you want. But publicly denouncing the show like you did is mere trolling and flaming, and adds nothing better to the current discussion.
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2008-03-13, 23:28 | Link #628 | |
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Especially given the fact that none of the 3 blocs. who are their main opponents, were ever at war nor are they actually evil bad guys. In fact they seem more like the good guys. If we were to copy this onto GS then it'd be having the 3 ship alliance bringing the hammer down on both the EAF and ZAFT who while maybe in a cold war and doing skirmishes are not actually in war. That and the 3 ship alliance would end up escalating the conflict. Besides, CB's objective is to have the 3 blocs unite into one power and whatever else the plan is. |
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2008-03-14, 00:03 | Link #629 |
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Well, I will respect LoweGear's points on why they are different, but I still contend that the show has not progressed much further. It was The World vs Gundam Meisters for 20 episodes, and now it's more of the same except The World has GN Drives. The plot hasn't advanced hardly at all, and 22 episodes in you'd expect some kind of movement. They've just killed characters that they didn't want to develop, or remove them from the show like they did to Saji's annoying girlfriend. That's just an excuse for writing. Usually named characters get offed for an important reason, or defeated by another named character that is their enemy. In this case you just have Ali going on killing sprees, and it's not particularly intelligent. Just cool if you like death. And that's how we get back to my point that AIDS is cooler than Gundam 00. Well, AIDS doesn't have nice looking animation like 00 does.
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2008-03-14, 00:17 | Link #630 |
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You talk about lack of progress from "World v. CB", but pretty much for the first half of SEED the entire plot never progressed beyond the whole EA v. ZAFT, Natural v. Coordinator crap. Besides, where can they go from "World v. CB" besides say CB spintering and fighting among their dissenting factions? Oh, wait. They did that already.
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2008-03-14, 00:38 | Link #631 | |
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In 00, mostly all of the characters are the same as they were when we met them, and have had minimal, if any, development. The last few episodes have been just fight, fight, fight, kill, kill, kill! That's not a good way to tell a story. Like I said before, killing characters is not character development unless something evolves out of their deaths. And of those that have died, there's only one person whose death could spur something on to change in another character and/or the plot in general. I think you guys can figure out who I'm talking about too.
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2008-03-14, 01:01 | Link #632 |
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hmm sorry about this but could you please discuss whatever comparison between seed/seedstiny and 00 somewhere else (you could ask the mod to make that kind of thread)
- I'm really sick and tired to read this kind of comparison in gundam 00 thread - please no hard feeling okay Last edited by Ardi220288; 2008-03-14 at 01:20. |
2008-03-14, 02:44 | Link #633 | |
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2008-03-14, 05:39 | Link #635 | ||
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The point he is trying to show is that there hasn't been much character growth in 00, which I may admit is kind of correct. Ofcourse, he's not only speaking of character growth, but he speaks as if growth is the only form of character development. It's not. You can develop characters by delving into their histories, as it gives a greater explanation for their actions and builds a better foundation for their person (in other words, "develops their character"). And I must admit, we've done that with Setsuna and a little with Allelujah. In terms of actual character change/growth, Saji has gone pretty far. And now we have Tieria, a character who started out in the series with little care for the lives of others now caring for people's well beings and blaming himself for Lockon's eye injury. I'm done here. If Obi-Wan wants to come back and argue about how wrong I supposedly am, he can go ahead and yell at the brick wall. I'm dropping the subject now. |
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2008-03-14, 06:31 | Link #636 | |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KITT It was an AI aware car with loaded extra features. Similarly, Trans Am mode appears to have enhanced AI on the Gundam and releases 'extra features'. |
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2008-03-14, 09:18 | Link #637 |
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Speaking of development I was under the impression that in an interview awhile ago the show was about the gundams themselves and not the characters. The pilots themselves would, as the series go on, develop more and more which they have been as the gundams were the main focus early in the series.
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2008-03-14, 12:29 | Link #638 | |
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