2009-01-22, 13:29 | Link #61 | ||
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Alto was already impressed by Sheryl from episode one, although more in a "awed" way. By episode five, he showed a definite attraction to her. Sheryl sabotaged herself in episode ten, when she laughed off the kiss but recovered in episode twelve due to her dedication to let Alto attain his dream of flying in a real sky, even when she was down with a severe fever. I think only Alto getting into protective overdrive over Ranka and Sheryl being bound to her bed for six episodes ( with little acts of defiance of her condition ) prevented her from closing the deal. Hell, in episode 16 it could have been all over, werenŽt it for Michael barging in on them ( and the subsequent mission call from Cathy. ). There is plenty of material which supports Altos mutual interest in Sheryl before she was known to be dying of the virus. Holding your hands before your eyes and trying to avoid noticing it does not change reality. IŽll refrain from getting again into the ending of the series. IŽll probably write a little essay about it ( and the three main characters ) somewhen in the future, during the semester break. Quote:
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2009-01-22, 15:17 | Link #62 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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2009-01-22, 16:27 | Link #63 | |
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Well, "but I'd rather not get into that since I've already said what I wanted to say earlier in the old romance thread." sounded pretty much like it.
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I agree that he just admitted to himself his deeper feelings for Sheryl when he was told that she was about to die. He then had to face the reality that he could not decide on his own time when he wanted to go forward on those feelings and then acted. However, I date his romantic attraction to her quite before that point. I think episode twelve was when he realized that Sheryls feelings were not only for show but for real, when she collapsed on him trying to give him his birthday present. Then, much shooting ensued. After the return to Frontier, Sheryl mostly was in the hospital. We got the sing-off in episode fifteen, which was a big signal to Alto that both girls had an interest in him, and then episode sixteen, where I personally think Alto showed quite clearly that he was romantically interested in Sheryl. Episode eighteen at the latest had him showing reactions towards Sheryls which went far beyond "a bit more than friends". To summarize, IŽd date his real romantic interest in Sheryl ( as opposed to being just attracted ) at episode twelve and at the latest, if you employ all negative modifiers, episode eighteen. Ranka had a little chance in almost exactly that space ( 12-17 ), but that fizzled completely.
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2009-01-22, 17:07 | Link #64 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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As for Ranka, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss her even in the midst of the final episodes. Of course her absence didn't help her relationship with Alto but even with the time she was gone, Alto couldn't help but think about her. Yes, episode 23 lol, deja vu huh? I've heard plenty of opinions on that conversation with Klan Klan but I do believe that he still has feelings for Ranka even though he thought she betrayed Frontier. I don't believe that this is a "solid" confession but it does reassure me of his feelings for her, the flashbacks he had were those of his moments with Ranka on Gallia 4 and they were happy moments coupled with his loving memories of his mother. If those flashbacks had been those of her leaving with Brera or other scenes that weren't, "happy" to say the least, then I would have been inclined to say that Alto and Sheryl is a definite. |
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2009-01-22, 17:23 | Link #65 | |
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Still I see Alto as very dull to see that he attracts two lovely grown/growing up young ladies. He should have taken both wayne romance hello harem.
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2009-01-22, 17:45 | Link #66 | |
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I would never argue that Alto doesn't care about Ranka, but the truth of the matter is that when faced with the uncertain death of both girls--whether by putting herself into danger, or dying of an illness--he makes the choice between them with an ease that borders on frightening, and shows very little sign of outward regret. And this is after Ranka cried and confessed her feelings for him. Even in the last episode, it's not his overwhelming feelings of love that open a channel to talk to Ranka, it's Sheryl's last earring--the promise between him and her that they will survive this battle and meet once again. I'm not naive enough to say that "love is more important than anything else", but if I was Alto and the girl (or in my case, it'd be guy) I loved left me and was going directly into the heart of alien territory, even if I felt like I had to stay behind with the ship out of obligation, I would be crawling the goddamn walls. My mind wouldn't leave that person for a second. I'd be frantic with worry, not talking like all we have to do is swing by and pick them up when we got there, or playing house with some other person. The mere fact that he's totally comfortable doing those things while Ranka is in grave danger killed any chance their relationship ever had.
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2009-01-22, 18:00 | Link #67 |
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I think Alto have some kind of romantic feelings for Ranka...mostly after ep 10...until then i think he acted as her "brother". Overly protective and caring with her...most likely the cause is his pity for her. And that's why he felt emberassed when he found out that hes kissing with Ranka at the scene. Like someone asks you to kiss your sister.(and remember the character's culture is japanese...almost like kiss>sex). But after that he find out that Ranka can do "wonderfull things"(like she acted at the movie, Ranka's "live concert" at Galia IV). I think the happenings in Galia IV was the highlight of Ranka and Alto's "romance".
Back to Sheryl: Why i am thinking that Alto is interested in her? Because at the first episode he glared countinously her poster in his hands. It's obvious that he was not a fan of her...then what? Maybe he's attracted to her beuty? Maybe...then the mutual feeling part is done. Other than that there's not a clue because Alto is a professional actor, so if it must he can "act love" easily. Now the ovrall of the whole Sheryl vs. ranka discussion: -Why the people belive that he loves Sheryl? Because they act like a couple. And if they act like a couple then maybe they're a couple...Most of the elements of a couple's signs were sighted: Date, kiss(not a one sided or "forced"), living together... Even if some of them a bit deniable but most of the people just see the actions, not the intents and situation. -Why the pople belive that he loves Ranka? Because most of the typical shonen "love elements" are sighted with them. Blushing when they going to do something intimate, "I'll protect you!", worrying about her... to mention the most important ones. Most of the people who are at the side of Ranka is otaku or near to it(In Sheryl's case anime-newbies and otakus too, cause if you just watch the show bluntly than it seems like if Sherylx Alto is a real cople and the triangle ending has no ground[maybe it's true...but we can't see into Alto's mind]). Because of that they're watching closely for this kind of signs and they found out that he loves Ranka or they're pissd of that many people states that "SherylxAlto for sure!" and trying to find clues to oppose that statment. Conclusion: Both groups are somewhat right. My opinion: as i stated i think the Sherylx Alto is more possible...but it's my biased opinion. |
2009-01-22, 18:23 | Link #68 | |
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That is the reason he doesn't rush out there and save Ranka, because he wouldn't abandon the women and children of Frontier and on top of that abandon a dying friend. That's what reassured me of his feelings, he was having a hard time deciding and if he's struggling with himself that much then Ranka must have some type of importance to him. Both girls have an importance to him, but like I said I can't dismiss a possible relationship between Alto and Ranka, just like Alto and Sheryl can't be dismissed. |
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2009-01-22, 18:38 | Link #69 | |
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Think about it this way. Sheryl was more important than his vow to never come home again and now, in this situation, she's even more important than the girl he supposedly "loves"? That makes no sense in a romantic context.
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2009-01-22, 18:40 | Link #70 | |
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As Mosouka says, the next episode after Ranka runs off, he is playing house with Sheryl and calmly planning on bombing Ranka in the face. If that isnŽt a big hint as to which relationship is the romantic one for him, I donŽt know what else there is. But, oh well, him planning to kill Ranka seems to be taken as a big looooove sign by the Ranka crowd for whatever reason.
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2009-01-22, 19:41 | Link #71 |
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Episodes twenty-two and twenty-three are a transition period for Alto. Prior to episode twenty-one, Alto had used his relationship with Ranka as an excuse to pilot for SMS. By letting her go, he finally has the opportunity to be honest with himself, but this comes at a cost: he no longer has the luxury of playing "hero" alongside SMS. Ozma drives this point home at the end of episode twenty-two.
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There is something that has not been mentioned yet and that is that his stepbrother reminded him of something: "You're an actor by nature. You perform the act desired from you for that moment. You perform it. Please think about it carefully once again." Nonetheless if you are asking me how to see his act of killing her has something to do with romance, then there is one reason: salvation.
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Why not? Alto comes from a Japanese tradition family... reminds me that we had this point already discussed and it ended that Death by Salvation is mostly not understandable for western cultures.
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Just a thought really. Quote:
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Magnus, I, for one, am looking forward to your essays.
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2009-01-23, 05:21 | Link #78 | |
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For those who are interested, here is something on wiki which describes Altos moments where he talks with Klan. I'll just wrap it in spoilers so no one gets offended... Spoiler for Giri and Ninjô:
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2009-01-23, 05:37 | Link #79 |
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Self-sacrifice is all well and good, as long as the rationalization is not simply "I'll kill myself (or somebody else) because I can't stand to go through this". The act of duty (self) killing for honor or the "greater good" is such a cowardly and dumb thing that I simply believe it not to be something worth discussing.
I'm just venting my opinion, here. By all means, derail the new romance thread with off-topic discussions all over again.
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Also part of chemistry is being able to understand the other person, this understanding is lost to Ranka and Alto, as episode 21 and Ao no Ether, has proven. You can be aware of someone and still not have good chemistry with them, you can be a relationship with someone and not any with them, and really what good was that sliver of interest if there is no follow up. Its like refusing the call to step up to the plate. |
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