2012-10-31, 18:16 | Link #1421 |
今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている
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Doesn't the Sibyl work by calculating based on an organic brain?
Like this they should use it to detect and get rid of defective robot workers....wait, maybe they already do.... Still wonder what's the difference between say a Red and a Blue of similar brightness...Hope they release more info on what traits the colors represent
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2012-10-31, 21:41 | Link #1422 |
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I assume there's a threat assessment aspect to the dominator as well, such as it detecting a danger of starting a large fire, or noticing that paralysis shot is not working. To me it doesn't seem as much of a stretch that it can see when robots are out of control as well.
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2012-11-01, 04:26 | Link #1424 | |
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A new sub-forum. Oh noes/yays...
Don't know how difficult it would be, but it would be nice to pull the discussion on the morality and philosophy of the Sibyl System to a separate thread. Quote:
So, if a Dominator can scan a biological brain that is essentially a mass of electrical signals, it can easily do the same for a mechanical "brain". (Besides, who's to say that robotic brains are 100 per cent mechanical in the Psycho-Pass universe? It could be a cyborg brain for all we know.) |
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2012-11-01, 04:35 | Link #1425 | |
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Oh a subforum ... congratulation to Psycho Pass
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2012-11-01, 04:51 | Link #1426 | |
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Finally! And I agree - this interesting discussion definitely deserves its own thread, even if it'll be a bit of work for the moderators to move all the posts over...
------ Speaking of which...just my two cents. I feel that the main debate here atm is whether the Sibyl system is just a tool and thus faultless, with the flaws in the way it is used existing entirely because humans can never use such technology 'perfectly', vs. the idea that Sibyl itself is part of the problem. I wonder if this debate is actually pointing to one of the deeper points about the world that the creators of this show are interested in, except not just with regards to the universe of Psycho-Pass, but also and more importantly with regards to the modern societies in which we, the viewers, live. The apparent dichotomy that seems to have appeared in this thread is, in my opinion, pointing to questions at another level - which some might term the 'meta' level - about why we have reacted in particular ways to what has been presented to us thus far. This has been illustrated in what some of you have been posting about the system, though I'll draw on one of TinyRedLeaf's recent comments in particular. Quote:
However, I wonder if the more important question to ask is: why do I think that way? Why is this my instinctive reaction? Why do I expect failure? Why do some of us automatically recoil at the thought of a social system that places so much faith in a scientific diagnostic tool? Or, to be more specific, what are the institutionalised beliefs about freedom and choice, about the relationship between science and human nature, that inform my reaction, and most importantly, where have they come from? The reason I think these questions are important is because we ourselves often lose sight of the factors that influence the way we think. Which is where the debates in this thread come in again. I think it's been pointed out a lot earlier in this thread: the Sibyl system is like many systems in the modern world, systems that set limits on what we can do in various aspects of life. However, we don't really perceive these systems anymore - they've become so much a part of our lives that we don't question how they've been formed, or whether they actually make sense. Just like many of the characters in PSYCHO-PASS don't question how ubiquitous Sibyl is in their lives.
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2012-11-01, 05:03 | Link #1427 | |
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It's the fundamental basis of all philosophy, the need to always consider the assumptions, both implicit and explicit, that lead us to the conclusions we make. To always confront our own biases before we criticise those of others. |
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2012-11-01, 05:12 | Link #1428 | |
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I actually had a write-up somewhere when I started to see how the Urobucher's take on this society's overarching philosophy on crime and punishment somewhat mirror's Foucault's observation that the model of punishment is used not only for crime but also for controlling an entire society not only through it's criminal codes but also in everyday life. The Sibyl System in fact nearly epitomizes Foucault's observation of the three primary techniques for control: hierarchial observation, examination and normalized judgement. The Sibyl System is the 21st century (?) equivalent of the metaphorical Panopticon. A prison of computer code and algorithms. If I find it and finish it I'll probably post it some other time.
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Also how does free will being a process of our own brains make it an illusion? It's still our self that produces and is comprised of said chemical reactions that differs from person to person resulting in varied responses. If it weren't even for said reactions the physical brain would not function. It's a web of pathways said reactions can take but which pathway it takes is still a response to a host of various factors. A psychopath for example, has far less choice due to his wiring than a normal person. A normal person has far more possibility and potential perhaps. Quote:
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Yet don't you already inwardly recoil at our current society? The way how there's a "greater good at the expense of what may be morally right" governing the greater core of it. Doesn't everyone recoil somewhat against it but just bear with it due to lack of ability to do anything about it?
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2012-11-01, 08:20 | Link #1430 | |
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If not, but something happens to you - instead of letting you spiral down into depression and self-destructive behaviors, the way it happens in our societies, Sibyl will force you to heal. (Or be relegated to the category I discussed in the previous paragraph...) |
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2012-11-01, 08:43 | Link #1431 |
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158 posts copied to create the thread, morality and philosophy of the Sibyl System, as TLR suggested about the thread-title. That's a lot of clicking. I hope that is more than enough reading to get this discussion interesting for newer participant.
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2012-11-02, 21:15 | Link #1438 |
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Hard to say at this point. One certainly hopes for more substance and not just for more substance, for substance that's actually original when it comes to cyberpunkish dystopian contexts.
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