2007-08-09, 10:25 | Link #102 | |
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Here's an interesting question, what kind of metal are they using on the KMF's and most other war-based equipment? Given that it is an anime, the metal shows some odd characteristics. It seems to become brittle when put under enough pressure but strong enough to resist denting from ballistics (though at times it seems to be unable to stop bullets).
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Mechas are weak to air attacks. They are large, moving targets for aircraft. Given that they can move at decent speeds they would still be easy prey for a jet fighter... Unless they were the Lancelot. I doubt bombers would work though, just based on the way KMF's are used. Bombers are slow, easy targets and KMF's should have enough speed to 'run away' from a bomber. You can see the KMF's moving at very fast speed during some encounters. If we sat down and guessed the size of a building in the background and timed how long it took to pass the building, we could find the speed of a KMF... but that's way to much effort. |
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Think the steel from the RMS Titantic. Poor shear strength when another KMF tries to slice through it, brittle, etc. If I had to make a guess, that'd be it. Doubt it's aluminum, though for the sake of weight it may just be that. I could be totally wrong. Actually, now that I think about it, it could very well be aluminum. That would explain the ballistics aspect. It can stop the lighter small-arms rounds and its god-awful against anything bigger. Quote:
And the Avalon isn't a good measure, I don't think. There's really no indication of the propulsion mechanics. At the least it'd have to be a V/TOL aircraft since the OotBKs mention it can stop in mid-air. EDIT: As mentioned by mist below, actually, yeah, they did say it was an advanced propulsion system as which we don't know in our time. Quote:
In the event that you could only carpet bomb or use iron-bombs dropped from light-bombers or fighter-bombers the "bombers are slow" argument doesn't work. Jet bombers are a far cry from the B-17s and B-24s of old, which really were slow, lumbering bombers. B-52s are really the last real bombers that are considered easy prey if not properly protected. Today we have stealth B2s and super-sonic, low-flying B1s that scare the hell out of any opposing force... especially now that B2s and B1s have proven that they can be loaded down with all smart bombs and just lay waste to an OpFor. Beware of tank-plinking smart-bombs. ^^; Quote:
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Avalon was flying using the float system without any jet and other types of engine. Using the float system made it capable of staying still in mid air |
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Nukes would kill everything. Hell if someone went there with a Hydrogen bomb they'd be godlike. Last edited by Var; 2007-08-09 at 12:50. |
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They do have Jet fighters.
In the first episode during the invasion of Japan we see submarines, battleships, landing crafts, and jet fighters. After that we don't see them again As the narrator stated Knightmares dominate the ground battlefield but that is all. |
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I suppose this falls under the 'its anime' category for the giant robots kicking ass. I wonder why we never see jet fighters after that? Maybe only Japan had them XD |
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2007-08-09, 12:23 | Link #109 | |
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In some cases it is an impossibility, of course, as is the case with satellite-guided munitions. Unless that tank/APC/whatever is stationary, then the bomb won't hit because it's locked onto coordinates. But it was demonstrated in the Gulf War that laser guided bombs could be effectively deployed against tanks and other moving targets given the ability of the ordnance to change course slightly. Obviously there are issues with targets moving very quickly and erratically with high degree of freedom to move about an area. But even so, KMFs could be engaged with them if they were sitting still or only moving slowly, such as around a marshalling area or on patrol. Then, of course, prevailing weather conditions and smoke, among other things, come into play with regards to the laser designator itself...
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I actually meant just the jet fighters. |
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Wouldn't RHA restrict movement capabilities though? It is an obsolete method of armoring a mobile unit if I am not mistaken, due to its weight and size. Empty-space armor plates and depleted uranium steel mix would be better but, now I am not 100% sure, would not have the same ballistics resistance properties.
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2007-08-09, 17:11 | Link #115 | |
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There are a few related technology myths to note when it comes to the question of newer vs. older (I'm cribbing shamelessly from another site): - Newer technologies are always superior to older technologies in every aspect. - Older technologies are made obsolete by newer technologies, and they eventually become useless. - No implementation of an older technology, no matter how clever or refined, will ever equal any implementation of a newer technology. None of these myths are true. In our case, Aluminum armor is newer than RHA, but its drawbacks mean that it's unsuited for more military applications.
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I based this on the availability of Composite, and maybe even Chobham, armors, but now that I think about it, the price of their creation as full armor for a vehicle would be restrictive to say the least. Last edited by Var; 2007-08-09 at 17:53. |
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This limitation is partially the reason why the current trend is to develop more in the way of active defenses like electromagnetic armor, reactive armor, TROPHY, or laser defenses.
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The main problem with reactive armor is that the machine still needs to have a significant amount of conventional armor protection - it reduces the penetration power of an attack, but doesn't altogether eliminate it. I'm not sure if Knightmare Frames have enough armor to make it worthwhile.
By the way, electric reactive armor is already in prominent evidence in another anime: Gundam Seed's Phase Shift Armor.
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