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Originally Posted by relentlessflame
I don't understand why we must have such extremes. You don't have to be some sort of blind fanboy to at least recognize what they were trying to do here, and the resulting "drama" it's created. I suppose you could see it as a giant experiment in modern art, and we were all a part of it without knowing it. The thing about modern art is that a lot of people say "how is that art?" And that's pretty much this thread. But of course, if the show's merchandise is successful, some people will say "those Haruhi fans are so dumb they'll buy anything", which is just a way of dismissing that there was anything of value in this experiment (which is obviously your point). But I just think it's not so black-and-white.
Just had to quote this from a sort of "truer words have never been spoken" perspective. I've often wondered why people (English fandom especially) claim to be so fixated on originality, even though I personally have never really seen anime as particularly original -- it seems extremely formulatic to me (and I like it because I like the formulas). But this experiment takes that whole idea and spins it back on itself. At least it makes me think about the larger experience of watching anime, and I give them credit for that. It gives us some "meat" we can chew on when thinking about fan reactions to anime. And probably the last show to do that in my memory... was the first season of Haruhi.  |
You don't have to be a bashing troll to at least recognize that there's a 3x (soon to be 4x) copy-paste going on, plain and simple. You can find meaning in anything if you're so inclined to, but that's beside the point. The fact that you can actually go so far as to basically relate Haruhi to "modern art" means there's such a wide gap between your reasoning and mine that I can't even make use of smoke signals to communicate.
It's a fact Kyoani can sell anything (unfortunately) so judging by sales alone will only allow you to conclude it's a successful business. Talking about what's art and what's not is a big discussion as it is, yet you easily equate these Haruhi episodes to some sort of "modern art" experiment, further enhancing my belief that communication of viewpoints on this is beyond impossible.
Cliches are cliches because they have been successful, that's why they are there. Cliche and blunt in-your-face repetition isn't really the same. I doubt the problem people had for the repetitive copy-paste is one of cliche vs originality. Originality for the sake of originality doesn't really say much. Not being cliche doesn't automatically make it art, although fanboys will indeed make it successful, like always.
I seriously do not see the point in arguing about it because some people perceive it one way and some perceive it another. The fact is that I personally fail to comprehend the other side in that matter so I'll just choose to stop and not troll. I've made my point known already, there is no point in repeating it yet again (pun intended).
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