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Starks · 2007-06-04, 10:25

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Originally Posted by martino

Harukalover, I get the Serin ones to play fine with CoreAVC + YV12, though when Haali is used for splitting it breaks IIRC. Been a long time since I last checked...

Ya know, I've always wondered if the horrors of x264 VfW were truly visible to the average user... What percentage of viewers actually get shafted by these bonehead encoders?

martino · 2007-06-04, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starks

Ya know, I've always wondered if the horrors of x264 VfW were truly visible to the average user... What percentage of viewers actually get shafted by these bonehead encoders?

If most people don't care about playing softsubbed MKV releases in VLC then I doubt that any...

(ok, maybe I put a bit too much sarcasm there...)

cyth · 2007-06-04, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by martino

Harukalover, I get the Serin ones to play fine with CoreAVC + YV12, though when Haali is used for splitting it breaks IIRC. Been a long time since I last checked...

Microsoft's native AVI splitter works just fine under those conditions, yes.

Harukalover · 2007-06-04, 11:51

Hmm posting late night is stupid...

They break YV12 + CoreAVC 1.3

If you're using 1.2 it shouldn't cause any borkage. Not sure about earlier then that...

cyth · 2007-06-04, 13:17

1.1.0.5 works fine as well.

TheFluff · 2007-06-04, 15:19

But both 1.1.0.5 and 1.2 has those nasty blocking bugs.

Starks · 2007-06-04, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFluff

But both 1.1.0.5 and 1.2 has those nasty blocking bugs.

Then perhaps it's time for an intervention with Serin's staff and enlighten them...

martino · 2007-06-04, 18:20

I think that's a decoder issue (the blocking) rather than a container one (right?). And from what I've heard 1.3 fails even more than the previous versions... >_>

Either way last time I tried to open an h264 AVI file through VfW using libavcodec I learned that it was murder. Maybe DeathTheSheep's build would work better, well it's not like it matters that much since it's just stupid to do in the end.

Kinda went offtopic here... Gomen.

Starks · 2007-06-04, 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by martino

I think that's a decoder issue (the blocking) rather than a container one (right?). And from what I've heard 1.3 fails even more than the previous versions... >_>

Either way last time I tried to open an h264 AVI file through VfW using libavcodec I learned that it was murder. Maybe DeathTheSheep's build would work better, well it's not like it matters that much since it's just stupid to do in the end.

Kinda went offtopic here... Gomen.

It's not off-topic. The premise of this topic is to discuss the reason why x264 in avi in mkv is just as bad as x264 in avi.

DarkT · 2007-06-06, 19:25

/me is scared to ask but... Could somebody explain to me:

"x264 video encoded from the VfW encoder is quite different from video encoded from the CLI (command-line) encoder, and not just in terms of quality."

My bits of knowledge tell me something about Vdub beinf vfw, and MeGui having a command-line-parameters line... But I don't quite get it... Or a link to the thread where the P2A thingy happened or something... If this is off-topic...

/me hides

martino · 2007-06-06, 19:35

This might clear some things up...

DarkT · 2007-06-06, 20:09

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Originally Posted by martino

This might clear some things up...

AHAHAAHAHAHA, THANKS SOOOOOOO MUCH!

This has been wonderfull, besides learning lots of cool stuff, I've got to LMAO...

"<@Power2All> krunaldo: AVI and Xvid aka X.264"

Just KILLED ME! KILLLLLLEEEDDDDD ME...

Though the log in that thread didn't work

Could somebody PLEASE, PLEAAAASE PM me the log?

P2A convinced me, avi really IS the way to go... Pyramids, B-frames, who needs those thigns anyway?!

/me goes back to reading - sorry for the spammy message, it's an outburst of my happyness transcoded into a digital existence.

Maniac · 2007-06-14, 23:04

lol.... mp4 is an audio codec?

mp3 is -NOT- mpeg-3. It is Mpeg-*1* Layer 3... IE the audio layer... lol.

I'm assuming that they just skipped over mpeg-3 and called it mp4 (mpeg-4) to avoid confusion on this issue (although I have not looked that up at all).

that reading was amusing ^^.

emptyeighty · 2007-06-15, 04:38

MPEG-3 was dropped after they realized that what they had planned for it (basically HD MPEG2) could easily be added on to MPEG-2. They then skipped 3 for the next big thing to avoid confusion. wiki link.

Starks · 2007-06-18, 01:12

Here's something juicy...

Code:

(02:08:17) (FlyHigh) hrmm
(02:08:27) (FlyHigh) im gonna give [the P2A rant] thread to vegapunk's encoder
(02:08:31) (FlyHigh) and see what happens =/
(02:09:38) (Starks) vegapunk is h.264 in avi?
(02:10:07) (FlyHigh) yea
(02:10:08) (FlyHigh) lol
(02:10:32) (Starks) this'll be fun

NOBODY EXPECTS THE CCCP INQUISITION!

(Help me out in the Vegapunk forums...)

Starks · 2007-06-18, 23:17

Wow... Their staff is so ignorant. The moment MKV started winning in the polls, they change the vote tally, claim that I tampered, and banned me.

Nicholi · 2007-06-19, 00:17

Starks is unrelated to CCCP Inquisitioning. Any/all newbosity on his part is a standalone game, Starks V: Stark's Quest. Of course there could be a CCCP Expansion to this game...it is yet to be seen.

Starks · 2007-06-19, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicholi

Starks is unrelated to CCCP Inquisitioning. Any/all newbosity on his part is a standalone game, Starks V: Stark's Quest.

Well, proper HD subs of a certain licensed anime are certainly worth fighting for...

cyth · 2007-06-19, 01:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starks

Well, proper HD subs of a certain licensed anime are certainly worth fighting for...

The really sad thing about your inquisition is... no, they aren't worth fighting for. n_n

Potatochobit · 2007-06-29, 00:59

I have a problem with a raw

Spoiler:

see that missing line of pixels? what error did the encoder make to get this to happen?

and can this be fixed with MKVtoolnix or would just re-encoding the whole thing with after effects be faster?

2007-06-04, 11:51	Link #84
Harukalover In exile Join Date: May 2006 Location: There! Not there! There! Age: 36	Hmm posting late night is stupid... They break YV12 + CoreAVC 1.3 If you're using 1.2 it shouldn't cause any borkage. Not sure about earlier then that... __________________ "Brainpower without willpower is no power."

2007-06-04, 15:19	Link #86
TheFluff Excessively jovial fellow Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: ISDB-T Age: 37	But both 1.1.0.5 and 1.2 has those nasty blocking bugs. __________________ \| ffmpegsource 17:43:13 <~deculture> Also, TheFluff, you are so fucking slowpoke.jpg that people think we dropped the DVD's. 17:43:16 <~deculture> nice job, fag! 01:04:41 < Plorkyeran> it was annoying to typeset so it should be annoying to read

2007-06-04, 18:20	Link #88
martino makes no files now Join Date: May 2006	I think that's a decoder issue (the blocking) rather than a container one (right?). And from what I've heard 1.3 fails even more than the previous versions... >_> Either way last time I tried to open an h264 AVI file through VfW using libavcodec I learned that it was murder. Maybe DeathTheSheep's build would work better, well it's not like it matters that much since it's just stupid to do in the end. Kinda went offtopic here... Gomen. __________________ "Light and shadow don't battle each other, because they're two sides of the same coin"

2007-06-06, 19:35	Link #91
martino makes no files now Join Date: May 2006	This might clear some things up... __________________ "Light and shadow don't battle each other, because they're two sides of the same coin"

2007-06-18, 01:12	Link #95
Starks I see what you did there! Scanlator Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 36	Here's something juicy... Code: (02:08:17) (FlyHigh) hrmm (02:08:27) (FlyHigh) im gonna give [the P2A rant] thread to vegapunk's encoder (02:08:31) (FlyHigh) and see what happens =/ (02:09:38) (Starks) vegapunk is h.264 in avi? (02:10:07) (FlyHigh) yea (02:10:08) (FlyHigh) lol (02:10:32) (Starks) this'll be fun NOBODY EXPECTS THE CCCP INQUISITION! (Help me out in the Vegapunk forums...) __________________ My list of garbage anime Last edited by Starks; 2007-06-18 at 05:35.

2007-06-04, 13:17	Link #85
cyth Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 38	1.1.0.5 works fine as well.

2007-06-06, 19:25	Link #90
DarkT Banned Join Date: Jun 2007	/me is scared to ask but... Could somebody explain to me: "x264 video encoded from the VfW encoder is quite different from video encoded from the CLI (command-line) encoder, and not just in terms of quality." My bits of knowledge tell me something about Vdub beinf vfw, and MeGui having a command-line-parameters line... But I don't quite get it... Or a link to the thread where the P2A thingy happened or something... If this is off-topic... /me hides

2007-06-14, 23:04	Link #93
Maniac Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MA, USA	lol.... mp4 is an audio codec? mp3 is -NOT- mpeg-3. It is Mpeg-1 Layer 3... IE the audio layer... lol. I'm assuming that they just skipped over mpeg-3 and called it mp4 (mpeg-4) to avoid confusion on this issue (although I have not looked that up at all). that reading was amusing ^^.

2007-06-15, 04:38	Link #94
emptyeighty Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	MPEG-3 was dropped after they realized that what they had planned for it (basically HD MPEG2) could easily be added on to MPEG-2. They then skipped 3 for the next big thing to avoid confusion. wiki link.

2007-06-18, 23:17	Link #96
Starks I see what you did there! Scanlator Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 36	Wow... Their staff is so ignorant. The moment MKV started winning in the polls, they change the vote tally, claim that I tampered, and banned me. __________________ My list of garbage anime

2007-06-19, 00:17	Link #97
Nicholi King of Hosers Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 41	Starks is unrelated to CCCP Inquisitioning. Any/all newbosity on his part is a standalone game, Starks V: Stark's Quest. Of course there could be a CCCP Expansion to this game...it is yet to be seen.

2007-06-29, 00:59	Link #100
Potatochobit Certified Organic Join Date: Dec 2005	I have a problem with a raw Spoiler: see that missing line of pixels? what error did the encoder make to get this to happen? and can this be fixed with MKVtoolnix or would just re-encoding the whole thing with after effects be faster?