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As long as Berserker recognize something with the concept of "weapon" in his mind, it can be wielded, regardless how specific/unique the weapon is.
He can potentially wield both Excalibur and Ea at the same time.
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2011-10-29, 19:33 | Link #3109 |
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...Speaking of prana, does it actually differ from "mana" somehow or are they just different terms for the same thing? I keep seeing them being used interchangeably in different translations, so I would assume the latter, but you can never be too sure.
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2011-10-29, 19:54 | Link #3110 |
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They are formally different, although they tend to get mixed up a lot and even I'm not 100% sure of what "prana" means. Mana is magical energy taken from external sources. Prana is, I think, a generic term for all forms of magical energy. However, it might be specifically magical energy that has been processed by the magus and is ready to use.
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1) If FSN zerker got hit with ~Ea_lite and still had lives left - would he then be immune even to a fully charged Ea ?
2) God Hand basically means that even a planet-busting attack of rank lower then A will have no effect on him ? Who enforces and supports and provides the energy (prana, mana whatever :P) for this kind of hax ? Akasha ? 3) How exactly are the calculations done to determine how many lives he loses .. from fate route Caliburn is 1 (one) attack, correct ? Although very powerful one. But it takes 7 (or 6 ?) of his lives .. Just because it's really strong ? Would Excaliblast or Ea take all 12 lives then ? Or is there some other mechanic Quote:
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Considering it took that much with only -traced- Caliburn, Excalibur and other NP of the same rank could potentially nearly one shot him. Quote:
So Ea would keep its EX rank.
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yeah, that's what I thought .. except Bers would become immune to it and Gil is screwed .. except not really, cuz he still has lol_Enkidu and at least 12 A-rank NP's in GoB
2Klashikari : thank you more q-s : 1) Towards the end of the fate route in the game - how exactly did the confontation on the date between Shirou/Saber & Gil go ? In the anime they used Avalon to reflect Ea back at Gil, he was kinda roasted and made a tactical retreat .. but afaik, that's not how Avalon really works - it protects the user by transporting him/her to magical promised utopia fairy land of happiness and bunnies and NOTHING can interfere (well, maybe the VOID personality of Ryougi, since she's basically channeling Akasha and can unmake the Nasu-multiverse, but I dunno), but it doesn't reflect anything .. so what happened in the game ? Gil ran w/o getting damaged ? They used Caliburn/Excaliblast ? Saber slashed him ? He broke a nail ? 2) Gils shiny original golden armor - it's not just there to look pretty, right ? It can take some hits. What are the extents ? Obviously not NP's, but regular strikes ? From ~Saber (Invisible Air), Lancers (no NP's), Assassin ? 3) Gil has ALL NP's in GoB, right ? That means prototypes of ~Caliburn, Excalibur, Gae Bolg, Arondight etc. ? If he chooses to stop being an ass and actually take and wield one of them - can he use their specific effects ? For example Gae Bolg's 'lol_bend_spacetime_to stick_it_in_the_heart' thing ? Or anything else like that ? Not talking about his proficiency in swinging them (it's probably awful), but using the effect .. For that matter - maybe he can do that w/o taking them ? Like shoot Gae Bolg, not like an arrow (which he usually does), but using it's effect mid-flight and have it hit someone's heart ?
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2011-10-30, 14:40 | Link #3118 | |
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On that same note, if a weapon later became strong because it became cursed, but it wasn't originally cursed, then the version that Gil has won't be cursed. As far as using them goes, he is merely an owner. I don't believe he can use "ultimate abilities" or whatever of the weapons besides the ones that he's proficient in, which is only Ea. |
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Gil has every NP that was around when he was alive, which means the original versions of most NPs. However, there are some which he does not possess (such as Excalibur, because it was made by the fairies for Saber specifically) and some for which he does not have all the possible techniques (Gae Bolg, for instance, because one of the two possible NP uses was actually added by Lancer himself, ands thus Gil's prototype does not have it). |
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Also I'm not sure to what extent he can use the NP in GoB, since he has shown to be able to use some of the "special abilities" of the NPs he possess(not including EA) , but then again in UBW I think Shirou states that Gil cant use the true ability of the NP since he is just and owner not a wilder... so Im not so sure on that one... |
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