2007-02-07, 18:08 | Link #21 |
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What people seem to be missing here is that Naruto appears to have gained a tremendous amount of speed. Sure he's not shown with blurry-lines or whatever, but think about how fast Kakuzu was relative to the other members of the group. Usually when Naruto pulls off a surprise move like this against someone that's faster than him, they're able to just counter it anyway - for example, see Chapter 192. The fact that Kakuzu never even had a chance to turn around is proof that Naruto could match his speed, which is a pretty substantial improvement from before.
I agree though that this new jutsu is sort of disappointing. Sure it's basically an instakill(we better not see anyone that's capable of surviving this) compared to the almost-insta-kill of the Rasengan, but he hasn't improved its delivery in the slightest - in fact, he now needs two clones to prepare it instead of one, and that's assuming he still hasn't learned to do a regular one one-handed. Also, something that occurred to me: the incredibly flashy delivery of this attack makes me think that we probably won't ever see it again. Either it will be condensed into a single double-page explosion next time, or he'll have developed it further to make it interesting again by the time he hits somebody else with it(or he'll miss with this version a couple times before then). Kishimoto doesn't like to re-use these big flashy attacks very much. Last edited by Zek; 2007-02-07 at 18:18. |
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Lot of people seem to have a problem with Kakuzu getting trick by Naruto becuase he fell for the old shadow clone trick. But lets look at it closely. 1. From the reports Kakuzu got form the other members, Naruto is hot head who charge into any situtation head first. Dy default he is a idiot. Not exactly un-reasonable for kakuzu to under estimate Naurto's intellignece form those reports. ANd naruto messing up his first attack certainly isn't going to contradict those reports. 2. Kakuzu already seen Naurto use his shadow clones to distract him while his real self attacks with the new Technique. Only reason Kakuzu survive the first time was because the Naruto mess up the excution. He sees naruto start the same thing again, of course he is going to assume Naruto is going to try the same trick again. How many people would not think that Naurto was doing the same trick twice? How many people would have thought that Naruto is going to try to trick kakuzu by using the shadow clone as bait? Give credit where credit is due. Naruto used his rep as a hot-head idiot to out smart kakuzu.
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2007-02-07, 18:30 | Link #26 | |
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But that'll be explaned later on....that would be logical.
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Remember when Zabuza was tricked by Naruto and Sasuke's combo? Now that was impressive because there wasn't a "why didn't he use this?" aftertaste. My sole complain is that with just one more chapter showing Kakuzu trying (yet failling) with all he had Kishimoto could have made the fight much better. I'm not saying that Naruto wouldn't have been able to win if Kakuzu had used all he got, I'm saying Naruto's victory would have been even more impressive if he did. |
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2007-02-07, 19:06 | Link #29 |
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Ha.....I sort of expected Naruto's new jutsu to be able to create such an effect. I have a hard time wondering who wind element is able to combine with rasengan. Since the wind element is mainly used for cutting stuffs and rasengan is more of the explosive type, combining these two together would have create an explosive rasengan that will rip things apart!? Now that proves it then. But....I remember Yamato mentioning that the jutsu isn't complete yet?
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2007-02-07, 19:10 | Link #30 |
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You know speed isn't everything..... I mean my Astroth beats the shit out of Taki all the time (Soul Calibur reference for those in the know).
I don't think Kakuza got dumb all of the sudden. He's lost two hearts and with it 2 elements to work with. That could be near 40% of all his chakra (remember chakra needs physical stamina) and 40% of his jutsus gone. If the lightning heart didn't get to him soon enough when Hidan stabbed him he'd be plain dead. Now he's faced with even more enemies, it makes sense to keep his spare hearts close. That plus the fact that using the masks as shoulder cannons has already proved effective for dealing with close-quarter combat (in 340). How would detaching the hearts/ghosts help him against a jutsu like that? Kakashi and Shika had to fight tooth and nail to get 2 hearts out of him, yet Naruto kills 3 in one shot (as far as we know). Detached hearts would only mean more clones that Naruto needs to make to keep them busy, and with Kakuza's main body ripped up there would be little to put back together again anyway. PS Bait and switch is the oldest trick in the book for a reason....... because people still fall for it all the time. |
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2007-02-07, 19:23 | Link #32 | |
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Cited from the fact that the Kakashi stated in no uncertein terms that the Byakugan's powers of perception were greater than that of the Sharingan. In Naruto's fight against Neiji, Neiji could not figure out which was the real Naruto either, so he just beat all of them up. |
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2007-02-07, 19:34 | Link #33 |
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Speaking of which, I still don't see why Naruto's new jutsu will have an effect on sharingan users. One major flaw with the new jutsu is that it is just an upgraded version rasengan. The whole jutsu will be useless unless Naruto is able to hit that person. And I'm pretty sure Naruto's movement now is unable to surpass that of sharingan. For Naruto's jutsu to really post a thread to sharingan users, he'll most probably have to first complete that jutsu...make it more perfect or something and he gotta work on his close ranged combat skills. Since Naruto knew how to use the Kaga Bunshin now, I suppose he'll have a much easier time training.
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2007-02-08, 06:42 | Link #34 |
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I'm pretty sure the fight is over, but I don't think Kakuzu is dead. I'm sure once Naruto-tachi have left he'll appear alive somewhere (alá Deidara). It wouldn't exactly be hard for Kishimoto to make up some ability with Kakuzu's hearts and all.
This was a good display of Naruto's strength, but Naruto just showing up and killing an Akatsuki member in one hit? I put more faith in Kishimoto than that. That was way too simple a conclusion to the fight for me to believe we've seen the last of Kakuzu. In short, it wouldn't suprise me if Kakuzu's not dead and I'm willing to bet that at least one of Hidan and Kakuzu have only been taken out temporarily. |
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I think I figured the jutsu out:
The rasengan acts like the eye of a hurricane (or is it a tornado?) while the wind spreads out destroying whatever is caught inside the storm. Kakuzu getting tricked was perfect. his only focus was NOT getting hit w/the justu. he stopped the clones last time and got blind sided. It was less of Kakuzu's stupidity and more of Naruto cleverness at using kage bunshin. The same way Shika can always catch people w/his shadow is not a bad reflection on his opponent but it's due to mastering a technique so that you can always succeed w/it. Naruto will learn the 4th's Hiraishin to really make the wind shuriken undodgeable. Naruto's speed has increased because when the hell did he create the bunshins that got behind kakuzu. No one saw it. Last edited by elusive; 2007-02-08 at 07:07. |
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wow - what an amazing chapter
But it was quite predictable that naruto would make one clone creating rasenshuriken so that kakuzu assumes the clone to be the real one. Meanwhile naruto himself attacks from behind. But still quite impressive. |
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And if i am correct...Kakuzu was superior in speed compared to Naruto. So he probably indeed increased his speed because the 3 distractions made the Shuriken within a second and attacked Kakuzu. But if Naruto learns the Hiraishin...it would be pointless to use Rasenshuriken then. Because a kunai would be enough. Instantmovement and then hit your opponent with a nuke is rather unneccesary. Cuz right now even Naruto is damaged. And for the other people..if you face a retard like Naruto. Then this tactic is something unexpected. It's like Naruto suddenly knows the answer of a very difficult test. Also the Sannin probably still have more experience. Constantly on missions (even during war times) probably gave them a massive amount of experience. If Kakuzu was already wandering around then...it would probably mean that he had only a few battles and prevented other unneccesary ones. Besides in the Ninja War (Only Grass Country, Konoha, Iwa) nothing was said about the Waterfall village. (It may have been at peace for dozens of years)
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and I thought Desert Coffin was nasty and horrific, at least you still have a body left when Gaara hits you with Desert Coffin. Rasenshuriken just........just....wipes you off the face of the earth! Quote:
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Yes the Wind waves do come back toward the target to finish it, but it does with with the remaining Rasengun left, but because of the wind force constantly pushing it forwards and sucking everything in, it will go through the whole body instead of just impacting on the chest area, like it did when Naruto hit Kabuto with it while saving Tsunde.. Last edited by Hunter; 2007-02-08 at 08:28. Reason: Don't triple post |
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