2010-05-30, 17:25 | Link #2061 | |
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2010-05-30, 17:25 | Link #2062 | |
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EoE is of course on a whole new level for me. While I merely liked Eva TV, I loved EoE. At first I was like "lol wut" but it has grown on me quite well because it truly completes the story for everyone's characters and most importantly made me feel for the characters. I don't need Rebuild to be the same, but it'd be nice if it could generate something on par. Wait, who else could have shot first... Oh never mind. Ah yes, kid can't get laid, ends world. And then you remember why Gendo's doing this shit, and who/what Anno was addressing and it all kinda makes sense But fast foward 15 years later, and Shinji will probably be more fortunate this time.
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2010-05-30, 17:29 | Link #2063 | |
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Asuka is actually very anti-social, even more in the movie (kicking random people and never befriending Hikari. Then again, why were they BFF in the series? Idunno) |
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2010-05-30, 18:02 | Link #2064 | |
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Throughout the original series Misato constantly tried to be a mother to Shinji, but ultimately fails in the end. This can be seen in a certain episode where he tries to console Shinji and she says that "this is all I can do to console you" or something like that while grabbing his hand. It is implied that Misato is giving her body to him. It is reaffirms that Misato was only ever really able to connect with people physically. In giving her body to Shinji, she'd be able to make that emotional connection to Shinji and help him feel better. This is again seen in EoE, when she kisses Shinji and says something like "we'll do the rest later." Basically Misato is more of a physical being, and she was able to validate herself physically with Kaji in particular through sex. Perhaps this is why she can be said to be a "bad girl." Regarding Asuka... She was just being a tsundere in the movie. It was laughable really. There was no reasons given for why she was always alone really. We don't understand any of her personal struggles. That's why many people criticize this Asuka as a typical shallow/insecure/angsty adolescent girl.
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2010-05-30, 18:27 | Link #2065 | |
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2010-05-30, 18:42 | Link #2066 |
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Good point. I think the second half of the series tends to overshadow the first half in a lot of peoples' minds. The psychological torment (and the subsequent "unpeeling" of the characters' mental states) didn't begin in earnest until episode 20... So yeah, we've got plenty of time left to rip everyone's head open and see what makes them tick...
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2010-05-30, 18:49 | Link #2067 | |
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But I'll wait and see until the next movies to pass judgement on this new Asuka from an objective stand point.
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2010-05-30, 18:59 | Link #2068 | |
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Many fans of the original show always wondered if Shinji just had a backbone, if the pilots were more stable, if they were more emotionally "advance", would the show have ended differently. The movies finally answer this question with a definitive NO. In fact, ironically, making the pilots more stable, more happy, more understanding of their own emotions actually sped up the (almost) end of the world. Hence, no matter what Shinji does he can NOT advance. Rebuild isn't trying to use the same characters with new graphics, its purposefully changing the characters to prove that it was not the massive flaws in our hero's personalities that caused the world to end (as some thought at the end of the original series). Even if you made Asuka a less bitchy, more kind girl, Rei more emotional, and Shinji have a backbone it actually SPEEDS UP the end of the world. |
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2010-05-30, 19:14 | Link #2069 | |
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The Angels here are much stronger, and so are the Evas, which ups the danger quotient for the earth's survival quite a bit. I get the feeling that nearly ANY clash between them could've caused the end of the world. |
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2010-05-30, 22:21 | Link #2072 |
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Ha.. so much of the proxy fights here are about THIS IS MY EVANGELION, WHY ISN'T REBUILD MY EVANGELION, WHY ISN'T REBUILD WHAT I WANT?
WAHHHH WAHHHH I must've watched it 40 times so it's MY EVANGELION, WAHHH WAHHHH It's all good, Anno was in a lose-lose situation no matter how he made Eva Rebuild and so long as he's doing what he wants I'm cool with watching what he puts out next. |
2010-05-31, 05:39 | Link #2074 |
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Ooh, that memorable scene from EoE. Thankfully replaced by Sadamoto in the manga.
I know this is a detail that people might have glossed over when were focused on liking Rebuild vis a vis the liking the TV series, but was anyone awed by the fact that Shinji pretty much ripped off his seat restraint with his bare hands? Okay, the laws of nature were pretty much being ground into dust at that point at the nexus of Impact, but that really surprised me, as it was such a large chunk of metal, and Shinji is still very much stick thin.
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2010-05-31, 07:33 | Link #2075 |
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Oh, speaking of the manga....
Manga in my opinion is the far "worse" when people complain about changes. Shinji's more GAR when he Big O Showtimes Eva unit 01 and Gendo has an AT field and says "Fuck God, he's my bitch." I like it, but between Rebuild and the Manga, they've done worse. |
2010-05-31, 09:57 | Link #2076 | |
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2010-05-31, 11:24 | Link #2077 |
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Its called adrenaline. It can make skinny boys lift cars. It was impressive but considering the life and death situation he was in and high stress he was under, it didn't seem too unrealistic to me.
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2010-05-31, 14:06 | Link #2080 |
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Ok having finally gotten the time to watch 2.0 and digest it a bit (curse you calculus!) I must say the questions I have at the end of this one are significantly larger in number than the questions I had at the end of the first one.
On 1.0 the changes were subtle and few in-between. A couple of minor details were changed, some characters had slightly different nuances in behavior, the background has some very important changes that we were only barely made aware and as such the end result was indistinguishable from the tv series up to that point. The only major question inducing moment was what happened in the end with Kaworu on the moon. Now 2.0 made me question a lot of my assumptions and raised even more questions regarding the events of the movie and the characters. Now I'm still in the camp that believes this is a sequel of sorts. Either in a far future after EoE or in a reboot triggered by a slightly different take on those events I keep being led to believe this is in fact a direct sequel to the events of the TV Show. However I almost wrote this theory of mine as wrong when we were told (via the field-trip) why the water is red in the movies. However when Kaoworu comes in Unit-06 in the end and says he'll make Shinji happy this time the theory came rushing back. But talking about if this is a sequel or not is kind of moot at this point so I'll discuss the major issue I (and many others apparently) have with the movie and that is the new character of Asuka (coupled with Mary actually). What really bugs me about what they did to Asuka's character is that I actually understand why they cut her screen-time and character development. Like I said about minor details were and most of the characters had slightly different behaviors in rebuild when compared to the TV Series so it's only natural that the consequences of their actions change in correspondence. Spoiler for Events of 2.0:
Overall I have to say that I didn't particularly enjoy the changes to Asuka's character but I understand why they were made. They needed to introduce Mary to the plot and also get enough time to flesh out the Shinji-Rei relationship since that last fact was the driving point behind the climax in the final scenes of the movie. It's one of those concessions they had to make because of the movie format that could have been better taken care of with the larger time-frame of a tv series for example but then we wouldn't have had the high-budget animation we've been having so far so it's a decent enough compromise if they can flesh out Asuka better in the next movie. There are so many interesting bits and pieces that I could go on to write a full dissertation about but that's exactly one of the things that always made eva such an interesting series for me. The questions, the lack of clear-cut answers and explanations... that's all part of the charm that keeps Eva as one of the most interesting creations I've seen my entire life in the anime medium and as such I truly enjoyed this second movie and I'll be waiting for the third with high hopes.
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