Abilities and Technologies: Speculation based on Science, Metaphysics, and Magic

[ellifeedn]

Does a person's genetics affect personal realities/psychic powers in this universe?

[Rovert10]

Yes it does.

[Ilidsor]

Originally Posted by ellifeedn

Does a person's genetics affect personal realities/psychic powers in this universe?

To an extent. The clones of Misaka all have her powers so we know that they affect what kind of power they get.

[ellifeedn]

And the Parameter List is based on genetics?

[dniv]

So I have a theory for what's going on It's kind of weird, but here it is. It's all spoilered of course. This is my theory for what is behind AC. It best goes here.

Spoiler for Basically up through NT 7:

The Misaka Network is one will, many individual personalities/individuals who look the same.

The Kakine Network is one collective individual (all of the same essence), many wills.

The Fuze-Kazakiri is an aggregation of all AIM dispersion fields in AC. This means all possible combinations for how to interpret reality.

The Accelerator with the correct settings of AIM dispersion fields (Index wiki prefers dispersion to diffusion, check Great Eye's wall), performs at a level of power that is the power of "God."

The spirit of God is either the Will of the Misaka Network or will be the essence of the Kakine Network.

Fuze-Kazakiri represents the possibility of anyone who controls her on some level, having the ability to not only simultaneously exist in all realities at once/places at once, but also power over the i district.

Touma's power represents the inherent meaning in the world. It is a reference point for the world and defines what the world currently is. Touma who is grounded in reality uses Imagine Breaker because he sees the world clearly and continues on.

By diluting IB's power into AC after projecting the i district onto AC, the inhabitants of AC would be replaced with the imaginary number district which would stabilize and become reality. This district would then be controllable by Aleister since he had power over Kazakiri. He would use Rikou beforehand to move Accelerator's power to him and Kazakiri's ability to control the denizens of the i district. Then he would get rid of everyone else's powers.

First of course, the sisters network gives Aleister all possible personalities and it goes across the world to spread AIM across the entire earth. The Kakine network lets him split up his essence into other parts and create things from scratch. Accelerator is what gives him control over his creation. Kakine= the power to create. Accelerator= the power to destroy creations which is necessarily more powerful than the spare plan out of necessity.

Then there will be many soulless people controlled by him... or he will just give them the soul of the MISAKA network maybe, which was really just an excuse to get AIWASS to come out so that he could Attain perfection (or he can give them senses of justice or whatever through powers/projects like Agitate Halation if he needs to and can program them by using the #5's power to decide their personalities. I somehow feel like he plans on taking all esper powers for himself to have all powers necessary.

Then he will re-create humanity to be an artificial happy heaven where everyone is happy The end.

There might be some flaws with this. I still think this is what is going to probably happen though after some hints we have gotten.

He might destroy the earth at some point and then build a new universe from scratch. We will see I guess. I'm slightly wondering if he is the type of person that thinks: the ends justify the means.

This is especially true if I decide what are the good and bad means and ends

Also, it is more likely that Touma will be killed at the very end after everything else in order to stabilize it then so that it permanently cannot be changed. That's probably more reasonable to assume. He will change the I number district and do everything else first and then drain Touma at the very end. (but then we'll find out Touma is God or something and he recreates the universe...) (the last sentence was a joke. Don't worry.

Also, straight from NT 7. We saw Yakumi able to go inside human beings and possess them. Say Aleister Crowley becomes this. Fraulein is his mortal enemy clearly. If he does become this, he can inhabit Accel's body otherwise... to use him as a vessel for him. Or he could inhabit Touma's body which is grounded in reality after IB goes away to spite Touma?

[zaeraal]

Originally Posted by ellifeedn

Does a person's genetics affect personal realities/psychic powers in this universe?

Espers Curriculum modifies people genes too, it was mentioned in LN.

Originally Posted by LN 3

There were no espers who could defeat something like that. In fact, it would just be a lot
easier to buy a handgun rather than controlling the brain and altering the arrangement
of genes in order to create a power that could fight against a gun

I think that the genes give a certain RANGE of abilities and the personality choses a single ability from that range.

Originally Posted by dniv

So I have a theory for what's going on It's kind of weird, but here it is. It's all spoilered of course. This is my theory for what is behind AC. It best goes here.

Spoiler for Basically up through NT 7:

The Misaka Network is one will, many individual personalities/individuals who look the same.

The Kakine Network is one collective individual (all of the same essence), many wills.

The Fuze-Kazakiri is an aggregation of all AIM dispersion fields in AC. This means all possible combinations for how to interpret reality.

The Accelerator with the correct settings of AIM dispersion fields (Index wiki prefers dispersion to diffusion, check Great Eye's wall), performs at a level of power that is the power of "God."

The spirit of God is either the Will of the Misaka Network or will be the essence of the Kakine Network.

Fuze-Kazakiri represents the possibility of anyone who controls her on some level, having the ability to not only simultaneously exist in all realities at once/places at once, but also power over the i district.

Touma's power represents the inherent meaning in the world. It is a reference point for the world and defines what the world currently is. Touma who is grounded in reality uses Imagine Breaker because he sees the world clearly and continues on.

By diluting IB's power into AC after projecting the i district onto AC, the inhabitants of AC would be replaced with the imaginary number district which would stabilize and become reality. This district would then be controllable by Aleister since he had power over Kazakiri. He would use Rikou beforehand to move Accelerator's power to him and Kazakiri's ability to control the denizens of the i district. Then he would get rid of everyone else's powers.

First of course, the sisters network gives Aleister all possible personalities and it goes across the world to spread AIM across the entire earth. The Kakine network lets him split up his essence into other parts and create things from scratch. Accelerator is what gives him control over his creation. Kakine= the power to create. Accelerator= the power to destroy creations which is necessarily more powerful than the spare plan out of necessity.

Then there will be many soulless people controlled by him... or he will just give them the soul of the MISAKA network maybe, which was really just an excuse to get AIWASS to come out so that he could Attain perfection (or he can give them senses of justice or whatever through powers/projects like Agitate Halation if he needs to and can program them by using the #5's power to decide their personalities. I somehow feel like he plans on taking all esper powers for himself to have all powers necessary.

Then he will re-create humanity to be an artificial happy heaven where everyone is happy The end.

There might be some flaws with this. I still think this is what is going to probably happen though after some hints we have gotten.

He might destroy the earth at some point and then build a new universe from scratch. We will see I guess. I'm slightly wondering if he is the type of person that thinks: the ends justify the means.

This is especially true if I decide what are the good and bad means and ends

Also, it is more likely that Touma will be killed at the very end after everything else in order to stabilize it then so that it permanently cannot be changed. That's probably more reasonable to assume. He will change the I number district and do everything else first and then drain Touma at the very end. (but then we'll find out Touma is God or something and he recreates the universe...) (the last sentence was a joke. Don't worry.

Also, straight from NT 7. We saw Yakumi able to go inside human beings and possess them. Say Aleister Crowley becomes this. Fraulein is his mortal enemy clearly. If he does become this, he can inhabit Accel's body otherwise... to use him as a vessel for him. Or he could inhabit Touma's body which is grounded in reality after IB goes away to spite Touma?

I liked the idea that Aleister plans to steal Accelerator's powers with Rikou.
That really sounds like him, to let others do the work and he takes the "finished product".

Also the idea that the Imaginary inhabitants will replace the real ones is interesting.
We know that he wants to alter reality with IB, as in, his "ideal" world will become the reality.
The Imaginary inhabitants should be something like the ideal "would be selfs" that the real people want to become.
If Aleister really acquires his ideal world then these ideal beings might really replace the real ones.

[demino_hellsin]

Still going with this weird idea of the anti-imagine breaker.

So now this right hand that would be the anti-thesis of imagine breaker has the ability to assimilate Original Grimoires.

Yeah, funky I know but lemme try to get in some lore about it.

Imagine Breaker is the right arm that returns the world to the way it should be. It is the ultimate reference point and therefore the absolute truth in the world. It removes impurities to reality and reforms them by undoing/negating distortions like ESPer abilities, magic and even divine powers.

However there is Fiamma's arm, the Holy Right. This right arm is special as it is the arm that will save the world. It is the right arm that has the capacity to remove evil and the unclean by purging what is deemed as an "enemy". A divine absolute order.

This is where my version of the anti-imagine breaker comes in.

Imagine Breaker is the ultimate truth and Holy Right can be considered the truth of a higher order. This arm as opposed to those two represents the ultimate lie. The source of the world's schisms, misunderstandings and assumptions. A lie that has the possibility to overturn the truth.

It's origin is magic and magic is its origin. So to speak that if the world is a system and the gods of every religion made it perfect, why are there still imperfections? Suffering, ill-intent, temptations and sin. Is it because of devils and evil spirits? That is most likely. But when a system is perfect, it means that these devils had to tamper with the system. This initial tampering would be seen by Christians as the original sin. However that is not the case. It is something more intrinsic.

For example, why does magic exist? Magic is the product of distortions of the world, an exploit in the system which is supposedly perfect. If God or the gods of any other religion passed down magic, why are their so many gods and faiths? Why do they exist separately and yet come together collectively refer to themselves as the "magic side"?

This collective body of "magic" has one source. And that one source where all distortions originate can be called the "fault" of the world. A crack or bug within this perfect system. That is the identity of this third arm which I would make as the antithesis to Touma's imagine breaker.

It's abilities as I've said before are similar to an Original Grimoire. It has its own defensive mechanisms and will lash out against those that try to destroy it. Unlike other grimoires, it has no set knowledge. It's true function is to assimilate other grimoires or at least obtain a perfect copy of them. Unlike the Index Prohibitorum Librarium, this right arm does not only act as a storage for the grimoires, it also causes the knowledge within each grimoire absorbed to coalesce with other grimoires already consumed to form new Original Grimoires. This makes it not only an eternal record, but an ever evolving one as well.

A side effect of its true function is that it "consumes" space, as if it is taking a bite out of reality everytime it is trying to assimilate a grimoire. So anything within that space effectively disappears as if a monstrous creature with a spherical jaw just took a scooping bite out of it.

The owner of the arm cannot "use" the assimilated grimoires per se. But instead he takes advantage of their defense systems. Once assimilated the grimoires will go on a rampage. Mostly by activating the magics recorded within them to destructive effect. This arm can direct those released attack from the rampaging grimoires to others.

[hamazura]

still dont understand what is 'awakening'
its very similiar to super saiyan when it trigerred by anger.
Does its mean evolution from human > angel?
like aizen transform into condom and butterfly mode which trascend human and shinigami? -_-

and why kakine rank not have rank up to #1? he mastered his ability, immortal, super useful for academy city, and have the same wing with accel.
or its because he doesnt have his own loli?

[Miraluka]

^
Because he still suck against Rensa.

[tsunade666]

-_- Kakine is actually a challenge against Accelerator but when the black wings and white wings are put into equation its just cheating battle.

wilfri avatar is pretty distracting.

[kaizerknight01]

some interesting food for thought

[LazyHunter]

Originally Posted by hamazura

still dont understand what is 'awakening'
its very similiar to super saiyan when it trigerred by anger.
Does its mean evolution from human > angel?
like aizen transform into condom and butterfly mode which trascend human and shinigami? -_-

and why kakine rank not have rank up to #1? he mastered his ability, immortal, super useful for academy city, and have the same wing with accel.
or its because he doesnt have his own loli?

Awakening (keep in mind that it is a fandom term) isn't trigggered by anger. From what little we know the two espers to have one, Accelerator and Kakine, had a big realization and began to truly understand their own powers. Something like mental maturity if you want to call it that. It seems to be part of the path to becoming a Level 6 if we understand it as them becoming esper angels (and seeing Level 6 as esper god)

The Level 5 ranks have nothing to do with strength (remember Mikoto vs Mugino), they are related to how much worth are their abilities to research. Accelerator's ability has more worth to Academy City than Dark Matter, that's all

[allfictions]

Originally Posted by LazyHunter

Awakening (keep in mind that it is a fandom term) isn't trigggered by anger. From what little we know the two espers to have one, Accelerator and Kakine, had a big realization and began to truly understand their own powers. Something like mental maturity if you want to call it that. It seems to be part of the path to becoming a Level 6 if we understand it as them becoming esper angels (and seeing Level 6 as esper god)

The Level 5 ranks have nothing to do with strength (remember Mikoto vs Mugino), they are related to how much worth are their abilities to research. Accelerator's ability has more worth to Academy City than Dark Matter, that's all

Yeah, apparently, I read somewhere that if the Level 5s were ranked according to strenght, Gunha would be #3

[lazydoggamer]

Originally Posted by allfictions

Yeah, apparently, I read somewhere that if the Level 5s were ranked according to strenght, Gunha would be #3

I tried to say this in a manga forum and waves of Mikoto fans came arguing why she is still stronger than Gunha. Personally, I think if Gunha fought seriously he could beat Kakine.

[Gray Servant]

Originally Posted by lazydoggamer

I tried to say this in a manga forum and waves of Mikoto fans came arguing why she is still stronger than Gunha. Personally, I think if Gunha fought seriously he could beat Kakine.

According to Ollerus, if Gunha actually understood how to use his abilities he might be able to beat him (Ollerus I mean). Though that might just be Ollerus's way of referring to an Esper's awakening. Still, current Gunha probably couldn't beat Kakine when his body is made entirely out of dark matter, no matter how hard he tries. Once he figures out his own abilities he probably can though.

I'd say Current Gunha and Mikoto are fairly even though. At least, both of them in that fight thought the other might be able to beat them if they went all out.

[Marina2]

How can we use science to explain a power that allow your body (or object) to go through a wall?

It is one of common ESP power in this kind of story but I can't think off an sciencetific explanation for it.

[Gray Servant]

Originally Posted by Marina2

Can we use science to explain a power that allow your body (or object) to go through a wall?

I'm wondering that can an esper has a power like that.

Hm. Some variation of teleportation might work. Teleportation espers teleport by moving into the 11th dimension then back into the third dimension somewhere else. Maybe a phasing esper can move any part of their body that touches an object into another dimension?

(This makes no sense with any kind of physics, but Espers specifically break the laws of physics as part of their powers anyways)

[demino_hellsin]

Great... now I'm imagining that Gunha is actually the incarnated opposite of IB with the power to "negate" rules of reality and common sense. What's more he's ranked 7th in usefulness because Aleister would not want someone able to warp reality like that. But still designated as level 5 because the ability is too rowdy not to be recognized.

[allfictions]

Originally Posted by Marina2

How can we use science to explain a power that allow your body (or object) to go through a wall?

It is one of common ESP power in this kind of story but I can't think off an sciencetific explanation for it.

Just use the explanation fo Kitty Pryde's (X-Men) powers:

Originally Posted by Phasing

the ability to pass through solid matter and objects by passing [one's] atoms through the spaces between the atoms of the object through which [they] are moving. In this way, [the esper] and the object through which [they] are passing can temporarily merge without interacting, and each are unharmed when [the esper] finishes passing through the object.

Or even how Flash does it:

Originally Posted by Phasing

vibrate their molecules so quickly that they can achieve intangibility for short bursts allowing them to phase through objects.

Of course you could always wave it off as an effect of ''quantum tunneling'', but hey, where's the fun in that?

[versionf]

Originally Posted by Gray Servant

I'd say Current Gunha and Mikoto are fairly even though. At least, both of them in that fight thought the other might be able to beat them if they went all out.

Eh, there's definitely an obvious gap between them. Gunha was only defending and Mikoto threw everything she had on him. Even in the end when he said she could defeat him, it was still referring to that fight when he was only taking hits.