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Guppy · 2006-03-31, 18:35

My first thought on seeing the last two scenes was "Huh?"

Then as the credits rolled, "Oh, my god... they're going to milk this for all it's worth, aren't they?"

I'd honestly have to say I'm a little disappointed, though. Considering that the Kashimashi anime has consistently matched and exceeded the manga throughout, this ending feels flat.

If ever a love-triangle series seemed made for a permanent "all-in" finale, Kashimashi was it. Hazumu loved both Tomari and Yasuna, but they occupied very different places in her heart. Tomari and Yasuna showed that they could be good friends who put Hazumu's happiness first - and since they were going to be stuck with a nontraditional relationship either way, why not go the extra mile? But now that the anime has chosen to go down the path it has, even if they recant in the extra episode Tomari seems likely to end up as second-best, an omake for the fans - an ending I don't think she really deserves.

Having said that, I'll still be waiting for the extra episode as anxiously as anyone. The anime surpassed my expectations for most of its run - hopefully it can do so one last time.

Benio · 2006-03-31, 22:50

Just checked on the official website. The 13th episode will be on DVD vol. 7. That's like half a year to go!

I was rooting for Yasuna so ignoring the ambiguity of the "ano ne" scenes, the ending was good. I liked Tomari too but I couldn't help feeling sorry for Yasuna. And I must say I've become a fan of Horie Yui after watching this series. All the seiyuus were great but Horie Yui really made the Yasuna character so likeable (to me). Lots of depth, lots of emotions--wonderful job.

Haruka Tenoh · 2006-04-01, 15:34

about the "ano ne" thing... It was under the tree where hazumu was rejected... so... maybe Yasuna was going to declare her love sas hazumu did at first... and the river thing... ehm... I'm confused about the ending... little depressed after watching all of that... sigh sigh sigh

BBOvenGuy · 2006-04-01, 17:01

Okay, I've seen the raw now, and... well, that was interesting. And odd. Most of the episode had the feel of, "Hazumu and Tomari spend one last day together before Hazumu marches off to her doom." And yet, when Hazumu found Yasuna, she certainly wasn't acting like it was her doom. And afterwards, Tomari is acting more-or-less normally around Hazumu and Yasuna, not weird like she was after she'd caught them kissing.

Can anybody shed some light on Sora's speech as his spaceship leaves?

Benio · 2006-04-01, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haruka Tenoh

about the "ano ne" thing... It was under the tree where hazumu was rejected... so... maybe Yasuna was going to declare her love sas hazumu did at first... and the river thing... ehm... I'm confused about the ending... little depressed after watching all of that... sigh sigh sigh

After letting go of Hazumu's hand, Yasuna said ano ne and then smiled. So what she was about to say must be something good. As for Hazumu's ano ne scene, they were wearing winter uniform as can be seen from the long sleeves. So time must have passed quite a bit after her scene with Yasuna.

Vexx · 2006-04-02, 02:13

I'm thinking there's still a chance for a threesome ... but it is a long time to wait and see --- we'll probably have a much better clue of what the manga offers by then.

"ano ne" ...

ranchan13 · 2006-04-07, 04:26

Personally, I'm happy that Hazumu and Yasuna are the choice ending. The two have more in common then Hazumu and Tomari. In fact, from the beginning, Yasuna was able to accept Hazumu's change almost immediately while Tomari took a while to adjust her feelings.

Tomari is not the match for Hazumi, she was never meant to be anything more then a rival to push along the relationship with Yasuna.

Akuma-sama · 2006-04-07, 07:23

*is still fanatical about T/H/Y* (Tozuna? Yazuri?)
Fanfics ahoy!

niwasatou · 2006-04-07, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranchan13

Personally, I'm happy that Hazumu and Yasuna are the choice ending. The two have more in common then Hazumu and Tomari. In fact, from the beginning, Yasuna was able to accept Hazumu's change almost immediately while Tomari took a while to adjust her feelings.

Tomari is not the match for Hazumi, she was never meant to be anything more then a rival to push along the relationship with Yasuna.

As much as I love Tomari/Ayuki - I can't agree.

People who fall in love with each other don't always have many things in common. A relationship between two (very) different persons can even be much more peaceful.
Yasuna actually was "happy" that Hazumu became a girl, because she thought the risk he/she would disappear from her sight was completely gone. That was the reason she rejected boy-Hazumu in the first place.
Tomari had many memories of her childhood times with Hazumu. When she thought of Hazumu she always had a picture of the little "crybaby" that needed to be protected from her. In that situation it's IMO harder to accept the change.
And since when isn't it normal when you have the need to adjust your feelings first? This isn't about.. uh, a cookie after all (sorry, my mind couldn't bring up anything meaningful. I meant it like "Woot, you! That's MY cookie!" "Nah, mine!").

Why do people underestimate Tomari's feelings towards Hazumu that much?
It isn't fair..

Blimey · 2006-04-13, 10:42

This series needs a better director to clean this up.

Personally, (I haven't seen the last episode yet) I was for Tomari/Hazumu, or maybe even possibly Tomari/Yasuna. What bothers me about the Hazumu/Tomari pairing is the amount of pity and guilt associated with it. Nothing says unhealthy relationship more than one out of pity, especially with someone as emotionally dependant as Yasuna.
I do believe that Tomari's feelings are genuine, and actually quite mature to take this all in stride. This much, at least to me, makes it a happy ending no matter who Hazumu ends up with. She'll probably find someone better or they just might end up together down the line. This is why we have doujinshi.

Catgirls · 2006-04-15, 11:28

The last episode has been subbed! Thank you Xabin for all your hard work.

-> http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31107

Grabbing it now...

Akuma-sama · 2006-04-15, 15:17

I've seen episode 12, and while I mourn my beloved Yazuri ending (and wish for it in the Manga), as well as the total absence of a damn kiss, I'm not entirely dissatisfied by it... not entirely.
While the Tomari/Hazumu parting was touching (if a bit 'meh', since the main reason Hazumu and Tomari decide to let her go to Yasuna is because of Yasuna's affliction), the episode was weighed down by violin-summoning clichés, particularly the scene with Yasuna in the highway, or the Aliens' departure (no spoilers there, i'm being vague).
It also has long monologues/morale of the story, which is something I hate to see at the end of a series, be it written or visual.

...or maybe that's just Haruhi's fault, slamming originality and hilarity in my face just before this episode... meh, no matter.

6/10, with an overall series rating of 8/10: A pity the quality of the first few episodes wasn't kept up to. I guess it's true: a manga adaptation will always be inferior to its previous incarnation...

Spinner187 · 2006-04-15, 15:43

Ok after watching the last episode, my thoughts...

Spoiler for those who have watched it:

If anyone wants to shed some light on this, It will be appreciated

Spoiler for BTW:

KaneDragon · 2006-04-15, 16:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Was Ayuki really after Tomari all along?

Ahem. There is something that just HAS to be said:

Ayuki~ is a per~vert~

Spoiler for ep 12 end:

It's better than the way the manga's carrying on right now, with the whole

Spoiler for just in case:

Vexx · 2006-04-15, 16:30

I'm also a bit annoyed at the overt plot device of the fate element in the manga but we'll see how it plays out. I suspect the aliens are once again not taking everything into account.

Hazumu returning to her original state?

Spoiler:

I'm real interested in ep 13 to see what all the "ano ne" is really about...

YamiDragoon · 2006-04-15, 17:15

hi all, yeah, i'm new here ^^

first of all: thank you very much xabin, for giving us a subbed last episode!
i love kashimashi, it's my fav. anime top 1 ever! ^^\/

Spoiler for so.. for that ending..:

i hope my english is good enough for you to understand what i mean ^^''' gomen

but i loved the end.. i am glad everyone is happy after all.. i have the feeling.. everyone did the right thing.. and nobody is hurt seriously.. they all stay friends forever, i guess..

and vexx.. i'm sorry to say that, but as far as i know, there is only 12 episodes and there's no plan for a 13th one.. o.O

hi-hi · 2006-04-15, 18:12

Here's what Yasuna said at the end:

Spoiler:

Vexx · 2006-04-15, 18:31

ah.. then I have a surprise for you.... the DVD release is going to add a 13th "not broadcast" episode that carries the story a bit further.

That seems to be the new fad (like with Kamichu inserting 4 new episodes into their DVD releases).

Unfortunately, that last DVD won't be released until the early fall.

monster · 2006-04-15, 19:05

Oh, a 13th episode in the fall? That's too far away I'll forget about this series already.

And episode 12 ended it nicely anyway, I'm just a little sad for the teacher and for Jan-puu.

YamiDragoon · 2006-04-15, 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi-hi

Here's what Yasuna said at the end:

Spoiler:

i feel a bit insulted by your version..
cute, pure yasuna would never say anything like that..
>.< but if you feel like it.. believe in this one T.T
you just hurt my feelings >.<

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexx

ah.. then I have a surprise for you.... the DVD release is going to add a 13th "not broadcast" episode that carries the story a bit further.

That seems to be the new fad (like with Kamichu inserting 4 new episodes into their DVD releases).

Unfortunately, that last DVD won't be released until the early fall.

Quote:

Originally Posted by monstert

Oh, a 13th episode in the fall? That's too far away I'll forget about this series already.

And episode 12 ended it nicely anyway, I'm just a little sad for the teacher and for Jan-puu.

thank you for the info ^^ i'm looking forward to it.. ,|,,|(>.<)|,,|, i love kashimashi, it rocks.. i'm addicted...

and.. will it be like the extra episodes of the onegai series etc..?

i won't ever forget kashimashi, my favorite anime.. i love every scene, every character and.. everything.. o.O
hope the manga will be released in german too >.<'''

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2006-04-02, 02:13	Link #26
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	I'm thinking there's still a chance for a threesome ... but it is a long time to wait and see --- we'll probably have a much better clue of what the manga offers by then. "ano ne" ... __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-04-07, 04:26	Link #27
ranchan13 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Personally, I'm happy that Hazumu and Yasuna are the choice ending. The two have more in common then Hazumu and Tomari. In fact, from the beginning, Yasuna was able to accept Hazumu's change almost immediately while Tomari took a while to adjust her feelings. Tomari is not the match for Hazumi, she was never meant to be anything more then a rival to push along the relationship with Yasuna. __________________ Combat ELEment STrategic Integrated Artificial Lifeform

2006-04-07, 07:23	Link #28
Akuma-sama Purr, good kitty... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Québec, Canada Age: 38	is still fanatical about T/H/Y (Tozuna? Yazuri?) Fanfics ahoy! __________________ Author of My∞HiME and MGLN: Through Troubled Waters, read and drop a review please Currently watching: Kurenai, Zettai Karen Children, Kyouran Kazoku Nikki, Shion no Ou

2006-04-15, 15:17	Link #32
Akuma-sama Purr, good kitty... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Québec, Canada Age: 38	I've seen episode 12, and while I mourn my beloved Yazuri ending (and wish for it in the Manga), as well as the total absence of a damn kiss, I'm not entirely dissatisfied by it... not entirely. While the Tomari/Hazumu parting was touching (if a bit 'meh', since the main reason Hazumu and Tomari decide to let her go to Yasuna is because of Yasuna's affliction), the episode was weighed down by violin-summoning clichés, particularly the scene with Yasuna in the highway, or the Aliens' departure (no spoilers there, i'm being vague). It also has long monologues/morale of the story, which is something I hate to see at the end of a series, be it written or visual. ...or maybe that's just Haruhi's fault, slamming originality and hilarity in my face just before this episode... meh, no matter. 6/10, with an overall series rating of 8/10: A pity the quality of the first few episodes wasn't kept up to. I guess it's true: a manga adaptation will always be inferior to its previous incarnation... __________________ Author of My∞HiME and MGLN: Through Troubled Waters, read and drop a review please Currently watching: Kurenai, Zettai Karen Children, Kyouran Kazoku Nikki, Shion no Ou

2006-03-31, 18:35	Link #21
Guppy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004	My first thought on seeing the last two scenes was "Huh?" Then as the credits rolled, "Oh, my god... they're going to milk this for all it's worth, aren't they?" I'd honestly have to say I'm a little disappointed, though. Considering that the Kashimashi anime has consistently matched and exceeded the manga throughout, this ending feels flat. If ever a love-triangle series seemed made for a permanent "all-in" finale, Kashimashi was it. Hazumu loved both Tomari and Yasuna, but they occupied very different places in her heart. Tomari and Yasuna showed that they could be good friends who put Hazumu's happiness first - and since they were going to be stuck with a nontraditional relationship either way, why not go the extra mile? But now that the anime has chosen to go down the path it has, even if they recant in the extra episode Tomari seems likely to end up as second-best, an omake for the fans - an ending I don't think she really deserves. Having said that, I'll still be waiting for the extra episode as anxiously as anyone. The anime surpassed my expectations for most of its run - hopefully it can do so one last time.

2006-03-31, 22:50	Link #22
Benio Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004	Just checked on the official website. The 13th episode will be on DVD vol. 7. That's like half a year to go! I was rooting for Yasuna so ignoring the ambiguity of the "ano ne" scenes, the ending was good. I liked Tomari too but I couldn't help feeling sorry for Yasuna. And I must say I've become a fan of Horie Yui after watching this series. All the seiyuus were great but Horie Yui really made the Yasuna character so likeable (to me). Lots of depth, lots of emotions--wonderful job.

2006-04-01, 15:34	Link #23
Haruka Tenoh Bardiche Assault..Set Up! Join Date: Feb 2006	about the "ano ne" thing... It was under the tree where hazumu was rejected... so... maybe Yasuna was going to declare her love sas hazumu did at first... and the river thing... ehm... I'm confused about the ending... little depressed after watching all of that... sigh sigh sigh

2006-04-01, 17:01	Link #24
BBOvenGuy Math Ninja Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ventura County CA Age: 59	Okay, I've seen the raw now, and... well, that was interesting. And odd. Most of the episode had the feel of, "Hazumu and Tomari spend one last day together before Hazumu marches off to her doom." And yet, when Hazumu found Yasuna, she certainly wasn't acting like it was her doom. And afterwards, Tomari is acting more-or-less normally around Hazumu and Yasuna, not weird like she was after she'd caught them kissing. Can anybody shed some light on Sora's speech as his spaceship leaves?

2006-04-13, 10:42	Link #30
Blimey Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006	This series needs a better director to clean this up. Personally, (I haven't seen the last episode yet) I was for Tomari/Hazumu, or maybe even possibly Tomari/Yasuna. What bothers me about the Hazumu/Tomari pairing is the amount of pity and guilt associated with it. Nothing says unhealthy relationship more than one out of pity, especially with someone as emotionally dependant as Yasuna. I do believe that Tomari's feelings are genuine, and actually quite mature to take this all in stride. This much, at least to me, makes it a happy ending no matter who Hazumu ends up with. She'll probably find someone better or they just might end up together down the line. This is why we have doujinshi.

2006-04-15, 11:28	Link #31
Catgirls I am mowing clowns Join Date: Dec 2005	The last episode has been subbed! Thank you Xabin for all your hard work. -> http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31107 Grabbing it now...

2006-04-15, 15:43	Link #33
Spinner187 Too old for Anime? Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas	Ok after watching the last episode, my thoughts... Spoiler for those who have watched it: 1.Either Y told H that she wants to end the relationship. 2. Y told H she wants T to join in. either way I notice when Y told H "you know"(fansub version), they were wearing summer uniform. When H told T "you know", they were wearing the winter uniform. So this implies time has passed between the two. The significance of this I am not sure of. If anyone wants to shed some light on this, It will be appreciated Spoiler for BTW: I was sure that eventually Hazuma was going to be turned back into a dude, would made the ending a whole lot better and interesting

2006-04-15, 16:30	Link #35
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	I'm also a bit annoyed at the overt plot device of the fate element in the manga but we'll see how it plays out. I suspect the aliens are once again not taking everything into account. Hazumu returning to her original state? Spoiler: absolutely not.... irrevocable changes are something more interesting to deal with in stories than "everything reverts back hahaha" I'm real interested in ep 13 to see what all the "ano ne" is really about... __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-04-15, 17:15	Link #36
YamiDragoon Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Austria (Europe).. would like to live in Japan ^^''' Age: 36	hi all, yeah, i'm new here ^^ first of all: thank you very much xabin, for giving us a subbed last episode! i love kashimashi, it's my fav. anime top 1 ever! ^^\/ Spoiler for so.. for that ending..: it could also be, yasuna is just telling hazumu, whatever happens in the future, she wishes that everyone could stay best friends forever.. that would be another good version i could think of.. because they didn't say anything about being best friends in the last episodes, after all the "hazumu has to choose" things.. and about the uniform part: my idea is.. hazumu already said the summer has ended, so fall is coming.. i guess there's just some days between yasuna saying something to hazumu and hazumu saying something to tomari.. you all know how cool it can become in just a few days as summer ends and last thing.. why hazumu did not become a boy: i am glad she stays a girl.. the story is much better that way.. and maybe it would destroy everything if she would become a boy again.. and: just watch the first episode.. as sora mentions that hazumu's gender can not, never ever, be changed back anymore.. <- so it wouldn't even be possible o.O i hope my english is good enough for you to understand what i mean ^^''' gomen but i loved the end.. i am glad everyone is happy after all.. i have the feeling.. everyone did the right thing.. and nobody is hurt seriously.. they all stay friends forever, i guess.. and vexx.. i'm sorry to say that, but as far as i know, there is only 12 episodes and there's no plan for a 13th one.. o.O Last edited by YamiDragoon; 2006-04-15 at 18:15.

2006-04-15, 18:12	Link #37
hi-hi Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Here's what Yasuna said at the end: Spoiler: Hazumu, now that I can see finally guys, I have this huge urge to explore the opposite sex. Especially Soro-kun has piqued my interest. Farewell for now. We shall meet in a few years to see if our love was really meant to be. Feel free to make out with Tomari in the mean time. When we meet again, I want us to share the experience we have acquired, and put it to good use.

2006-04-15, 18:31	Link #38
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	ah.. then I have a surprise for you.... the DVD release is going to add a 13th "not broadcast" episode that carries the story a bit further. That seems to be the new fad (like with Kamichu inserting 4 new episodes into their DVD releases). Unfortunately, that last DVD won't be released until the early fall. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-04-15, 19:05	Link #39
monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Oh, a 13th episode in the fall? That's too far away I'll forget about this series already. And episode 12 ended it nicely anyway, I'm just a little sad for the teacher and for Jan-puu.