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Sunder the Gold · 2012-01-30, 03:35

"Replacing" Zafira lets him pursue a hobby, like teaching karate.

Also, a big and obvious bodyguard makes people pay more attention to Hayate as someone who might have good reason to need a bodyguard, which can alienate her from potential friends while also drawing attention from the very sort she might need protection from.

Yuuno is much lower key, and will draw none of the wrong attention.

Also, being followed by a puppy and leaving that puppy to walk home on its own is also suspicious.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-30, 03:46

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Also, being followed by a puppy and leaving that puppy to walk home on its own is also suspicious.

Well trained dogs isn't something unheard of xD

Archon_Wing · 2012-01-30, 04:01

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Well trained dogs isn't something unheard of xD

Indeed. I once saw a dog cross the street on the crosswalk on its own.

We need to find some way to get him back in the show. Lord knows we need more male charcters.

Keroko · 2012-01-30, 05:47

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"Replacing" Zafira lets him pursue a hobby, like teaching karate.

Has it occured to you though, that Zafira likes being a bodyguard? And that, to him, it is a hobby?

Also, just because he's good with defensive spells does not mean Yuuno's a good bodyguard.

rxrx · 2012-01-30, 06:01

I mean, it is good that people appreciate Yunno, but I think it is a bad idea to shaft someone away just to bring him out. It is unfair to Zaffy and I like him. He is also a victim like Yunno, so it makes no sense to shaft him away.

Like Keroko says, I think Zaffy likes being a bodyguard to Hayate and at the same time enjoys teaching karate to kids as well. No reason why he can't fulfill both roles.

Lycodrake · 2012-01-30, 06:41

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Indeed. I once saw a dog cross the street on the crosswalk on its own.

We need to find some way to get him back in the show. Lord knows we need more male charcters.

Undoubtedly not going to happen in canon. The only consistent male character is Bardiche. Thoma doesn't quite count, since Force is mainly about him...and he still is getting pushed aside. =.=;;;

Sunder the Gold · 2012-01-30, 13:20

I wasn't thinking about shafting Zafira, I was thinking about arranging more time for him to be teaching Arf.

Which would mean giving Arf more "scenes".

Archon_Wing · 2012-01-30, 17:17

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Undoubtedly not going to happen in canon. The only consistent male character is Bardiche. Thoma doesn't quite count, since Force is mainly about him...and he still is getting pushed aside. =.=;;;

So you're telling me the most consistent male character is actually an "it"

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-30, 17:20

I find solace in the fact that Veyron is getting to do a decent amount of badass stuff and is also the only Huckebein aside Arnage with something remotely resembling to a personality xD

Rising Dragon · 2012-01-30, 17:24

I still don't see how Force is pushing Touma aside.

Justin_Brett · 2012-01-30, 17:25

Until Touma just takes him apart with his protagonist powers the next time they fight.

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I still don't see how Force is pushing Touma aside.

The Aces get almost equal billing with him even though he's a new character that hasn't gotten the chance to develop much.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-30, 17:26

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I still don't see how Force is pushing Touma aside.

I guess they're refering to his role until Ch. 15. But i'm more positive about him right now, hpe that what we've seen in the G.O.D. game is actual foreshadowing of his developement xD.

Archon_Wing · 2012-01-30, 17:31

Y'all know there was once a pretty cool guy that was able to block off both Nanoha and Fate despite having less PEW PEW power but due to mad skillz. He was also promoted to admiral of a cool ship which for some reason never sees that much combat. Have you all forgotten about him? Well, I know Tsuzuki has.

Keroko · 2012-01-30, 18:18

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The Aces get almost equal billing with him even though he's a new character that hasn't gotten the chance to develop much.

Equal? Thoma's still deeply involved, if not central to the majority of Force's plotlines. That's not 'pushing aside' by any standard.

Justin_Brett · 2012-01-30, 18:25

He happens to have the power that the villains do, just bigger and badder, and maybe has a grudge against one we haven't seen yet. I'd hardly consider that 'deeply involved' or central to anything. The Aces are the ones actually in charge and making decisions. He's nominally the protagonist, but that's it.

Keroko · 2012-01-30, 18:40

He's got the critical item the bad guys are after, has a special type of eclipse important to the Hucks, he carries a tome of a type seen wielded by only the leader of the Hucks and befriended a reactor central to the bad guys research.

He's in the center. Deep in the center.

And the Aces making the decisions means he's not the main character? Yee, I guess that means Nanoha, Hayate and Fate were just side-characters in S1 and A's, huh?

00-Raiser · 2012-01-30, 18:42

And what's been focused on recently? Thoma's training, ie, his growth as a mage. He's still very much center stage.

Justin_Brett · 2012-01-30, 18:43

All of those except one are powers he happens to have that aren't indicative of his character at all.

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And what's been focused on recently? Thoma's training, ie, his growth as a mage. He's still very much center stage.

I was speaking more in terms of his character. Him growing stronger is kind of a given in this sort of series.

Keroko · 2012-01-30, 18:45

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All of those except one are powers he happens to have that aren't indicative of his character at all.

This... makes no sense at all.

He has powers and items very important to people important to the plot. That makes him central to the plot. Characters central to the plot are main characters. It's really that simple.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-30, 18:50

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And what's been focused on recently? Thoma's training, ie, his growth as a mage. He's still very much center stage.

more like his growth as a warrior/soldier as he's not exactly a mage per se. But yeah he was always in the middle of all this. The only big difference is that only recently he started to do pro-active main character stuff instead of being a passive main character.

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Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	"Replacing" Zafira lets him pursue a hobby, like teaching karate. Also, a big and obvious bodyguard makes people pay more attention to Hayate as someone who might have good reason to need a bodyguard, which can alienate her from potential friends while also drawing attention from the very sort she might need protection from. Yuuno is much lower key, and will draw none of the wrong attention. Also, being followed by a puppy and leaving that puppy to walk home on its own is also suspicious.

2012-01-30, 06:01	Link #185
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	I mean, it is good that people appreciate Yunno, but I think it is a bad idea to shaft someone away just to bring him out. It is unfair to Zaffy and I like him. He is also a victim like Yunno, so it makes no sense to shaft him away. Like Keroko says, I think Zaffy likes being a bodyguard to Hayate and at the same time enjoys teaching karate to kids as well. No reason why he can't fulfill both roles.

2012-01-30, 13:20	Link #187
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	I wasn't thinking about shafting Zafira, I was thinking about arranging more time for him to be teaching Arf. Which would mean giving Arf more "scenes".

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	He happens to have the power that the villains do, just bigger and badder, and maybe has a grudge against one we haven't seen yet. I'd hardly consider that 'deeply involved' or central to anything. The Aces are the ones actually in charge and making decisions. He's nominally the protagonist, but that's it.

2012-01-30, 18:40	Link #196
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	He's got the critical item the bad guys are after, has a special type of eclipse important to the Hucks, he carries a tome of a type seen wielded by only the leader of the Hucks and befriended a reactor central to the bad guys research. He's in the center. Deep in the center. And the Aces making the decisions means he's not the main character? Yee, I guess that means Nanoha, Hayate and Fate were just side-characters in S1 and A's, huh?