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If I went to the Shirley thread and said she got what she deserved, for whatever reasons, people would be perfectly within their right to try and argue the point. The same is true for the Rolo thread - he might not have been very moral, but he's still likeable to a lot of people. Of course, no one can force you to join the discussion, but on purpose or not, it's you who started it. Quote:
Ironically, Shirley probably came closest to making him understand "friendship", as well, but, well, Code Geass hates its characters.
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2010-02-26, 17:00 | Link #2003 |
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But how could he tell him he had killed her out of jealousy and/or fear of being replaced by Nunnally if that was PRECISELY the one topic he didn't dare bring up in front of Lelouch? It is because Rolo knows the real answer to the question "will you leave me alone if Nunnally comes back?" that he never asks him directly, instead trying to make her disappear in a way that might seem unavoidable and unrelated to him. If he just confessed that he actually hates Nunnally and doesn't want her to be reunited with Lelouch, well, he would give up any chance of receiving any of his appreciation anymore
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2010-02-26, 17:12 | Link #2004 |
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It was in the way Rolo carried himself though when he talked to Lelouch regarding the act of killing Shirley, coolly and remorselessly, as if he had nothing to hide or be at fault for, when it was anything but.
And during the battle over Tokyo a few episodes earlier, in his inner monologue, he states his feelings that he is the only sibling Lelouch needs, as per his intention to kill Nunnally. Classic Yandere/Murder the Hypotenuse, only with a brocon spin. |
2010-02-26, 22:18 | Link #2005 |
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wow I just started and it looks like I already got caught up in an argument. I never liked Shirley and it didn't bother me when she died, but hey thats just me I don't expect anyone else to have the same opinion or share the same thoughts. Well on a different note lets see my favorite Het paring for Rolo would be Rolo/Nunally ever since I seen a fan made video on Youtube I thought it was cute and I started supporting that paring too. also me and my friend on Gaia was talking about the Rolo/Sayoko crack paring lol
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2010-02-27, 01:07 | Link #2007 |
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maybe not, but she could have stayed outside and waited for Lelouch then told him she wanted to help him. The police officer gave her a warning not to go inside the building cause there was a terrorist inside but instead she went in anyways and she was given a consequence the whole incident could have been avoided at least for then if she just did what the officer told her to do.
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2010-02-27, 01:23 | Link #2008 | |
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2010-02-27, 07:31 | Link #2009 | |
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Rolo and Sayoko? Ha, want to see that. xD
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Or even someone who liked her. *points at herself* Yes, Rolo didn't feel remorse, but that's because killing is natural for him, and friendship is a concept he doesn't understand. To him, although he actually hesitated for a moment, it turned out to be the same as killing a stranger, which is what he was raised to do. Normally, I blame characters for their actions even if they have their reasons, but I just can't see someone who grew up the way Rolo did act much differently. And even if I did think it was solely Rolo's fault, it still wouldn't make me like him any less.
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2010-02-27, 08:31 | Link #2010 |
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I even got the impression that Lelouch blamed it more on the Cult than on Rolo himself, otherwise I doubt he would have been able to keep the act. I think, on the inside, he was aware that it had been partly his fault too, just as he seems to accept when he takes full responsibility for her death in front of Suzaku.
By this I just mean that... I'd say the writers wanted us to empathize with Lelouch's position and thus forgive Rolo like he did at the end... Taniguchi said that Rolo was supposed to be a character "you feel pity for", and seeing how much they love the kid, I can't imagine them wanting to portray him as a remorseless horrible creature. This much is clear, but then again, of course, it is in the interpretation given by the one watching where the true meaning lies, not in the interpretation intended by the creators (that's why literary works can be re-analyzed so many times, isn't it? ) |
2010-02-27, 08:39 | Link #2011 |
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However pitiful a character's past is, pity alone is not enough to make me like a character. Actually, as far as I'm concerned, pity is a pretty useless emotion (edit: in view of the post above, lol this is a pretty appropriate argument). I completely agree with anybody who says that Rolo had no choice; could not have acted in any other manner, because of the way he'd lived and been raised, but forgiveness isn't the issue here. The reason I reject Rolo is because he has no meaningful qualities aside from being pitiable. People who've undergone hardships and painful pasts can be found everywhere. The point, in my view, is always what you can achieve despite the hardships, or perhaps even what you can learn because of them. Unfortunately, in Rolo's case the answer to me is quite clearly, nothing significant.
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2010-02-27, 10:14 | Link #2012 | |
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Indeed, in this process, he doesn't take Shirley's or Nunnally's well-being into consideration, but how do you expect him to take others into consideration when nobody's ever taken him into consideration before and he has always been exploited and had his rights as a human negated (VV blatantly calls him "defective merchandise")? Nobody is willing to help or even understand Rolo on his quest for freedom and happiness (and Lelouch clearly willingly ignores Rolo's need for affection [I say willingly because he must have been aware of it to come up with a plan that involved simply promising him a future and which he took for granted would result in Rolo immediatly switching sides]), so how could he trust or even value others when from his experience, he's arrived to the conclusion that they will try to prevent him from acquiring happiness? It is impressive enough that he is capable of valuing that Lelouch treated him kindly and that he's usually a pretty calm guy; he could have turned into a crazy person who just destroyed everything around him out of desperation, and he doesn't do that. The effort he puts to keep clinging to hope despite the isolation and frustration that he must also endure is more than enough of a meaningful quality, for me, at least. As somebody who believes conformity is one of the most dangerous threats to society (like Ionesco, I am sure many unfortunate historical events caused by humans do not take place because the majority will profit from them, but rather because the majority do not care about complaining about them), I greatly admire the courage and will power of individuals who do fight against an unfair treatment, and pursue their self-fulfillment. I think valuing oneself is the first step into learning to fight for the rights of others too, and Rolo is a character who could tell, on his own, that he had the right to give his own life a meaning and strive for happiness, and who never gave up on this conviction. He isn't just a pitiable character, he's also a very, very strong boy . Just look at his marks, "above average", and he's never been to school before! He's the type to give his all in trying to do things the best way possible, and even though he made mistakes that brought a lot of pain to other people, I would not say he truly held bad intentions or that his aspirations were incorrect. Last edited by aya_kari; 2010-02-28 at 06:46. |
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2010-02-27, 13:42 | Link #2014 |
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Rolo's problem, though not simply his own, was that he was chronically one-track minded, to the point that he only thought about Lelouch and no one or nothing else, even though the other Ashford student council members, Shirley included, were nothing but nice to him.
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2010-03-03, 09:47 | Link #2016 |
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Wow, 100 pages about Rolo?
Well, I have mixed feelings about him. Pro: The whole "gunslinger boy" thing works, and has provided some inspiration for an "overpragmatic" villain of my own. Also, his death was an Alas Poor Villain moment for me. Con: He came off too much, in looks and tone, like some sort of yaoi uke. I imagine that this was intentional on the part of the makers, but I found it a turn off. |
2010-03-03, 12:08 | Link #2017 | |
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@aya_kari:
Love your insightful postings! Concerning the friendship thing, I believe the scene with the fireworks shows very well that Rolo doesn't quite get it yet. He is clearly startled when Shirley says she'd have liked him to be there, too, and ultimately remains hidden in the doorway. Quote:
And yes, it almost certainly was intentional. I mean, come on, the staff happily puts the guys into dresses, lets Lelouch and Suzaku pocky-kiss in crack Sound Dramas and gives us such awesome side-material as Sayoko's diary. For a non-shounen-ai anime, Code Geass is pretty gay.
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But... you never know!
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@Nogitsune:
^^ Thanks! I try my best... Quote:
Somehow to my eyes this makes Rolo adorable instead of a pervert |
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