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GDB · 2011-05-17, 17:03

Didn't she merely think "How am I supposed to stop it?", followed by a vision of Yuma. If she believed that the vision was of the potential Yuma had to actually defeat it, it makes sense that she'd send Kyuubei out to contract her. However, the vision likely meant (if Yuma does become WN) that she needs to kill this child before she falls in order to stop it.

**Solace** · 2011-05-17, 17:40

I don't get how Yuma can become Walpurgis. It wouldn't make sense, mainly because Homura is already a MG. If Homura knew that Yuma was Walpurgis, she'd have made preventing that one of her priorities in future timelines.

Beyond that, the timeframe feels wrong. Consider the events of timeline 1.

1. A week before school.
2. Homura is well enough to go to school.
3. Has bad day and is saved from Witch.
4. Hears Mami and Madoka say they have to prepare for Walpurgis.
5. Madoka hasn't been a MG very long at all, perhaps a week.
6. Within a few weeks Mami and Madoka die facing Walpurgis, Homura contracts.
7. No Kyouko, or other major characters, in this timeline.

It just doesn't add up. I think the bigger question to ask is "why is the Oriko timeline so different from the others?" and "Did Oriko actually see Walpurgis, or did she see something else?"

Witched · 2011-05-17, 17:51

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Originally Posted by GDB

Didn't she merely think "How am I supposed to stop it?", followed by a vision of Yuma. If she believed that the vision was of the potential Yuma had to actually defeat it, it makes sense that she'd send Kyuubei out to contract her. However, the vision likely meant (if Yuma does become WN) that she needs to kill this child before she falls in order to stop it.

Yuma had the potential to become a kick-ass Puella Magi, but it doesn't show detail who was going to become Walpurgisnacht, unless by chance, WN came from way before Oriko TL has started.

It can be possible that Oriko timeline is which Homura went through before but doesn't truly involve herself, meaning she didn't encounter them before while the others didn't encounter her.

Then it would have to be at least Timeline 4, which none of them had truly met each other during the time. (But then there's another problem.

)

Also, does Oriko Manga start in Mitakihara Town like everything else does?

Shadow5YA · 2011-05-17, 19:56

I think some people are a little too obsessed with Walpurgis Night's identity. We had a few who claimed it was Homura. Then the most recent translated chapter of Kazumi Magica came out and some thought it was Kazumi. Now Oriko Magica scans are out and some people think it's someone in this series.

Witched · 2011-05-17, 20:02

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Walpurgisnacht should be at least explained in the Oriko series, right?

Dark Wing · 2011-05-17, 20:30

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Originally Posted by Witched

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Walpurgisnacht should be at least explained in the Oriko series, right?

Well we're wishing for it...

Akashin · 2011-05-17, 20:39

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

I think some people are a little too obsessed with Walpurgis Night's identity. We had a few who claimed it was Homura. Then the most recent translated chapter of Kazumi Magica came out and some thought it was Kazumi. Now Oriko Magica scans are out and some people think it's someone in this series.

What I care about is Walpurgisnacht's origins, where/how it came to be (whether by normal means or some unknown process). I'm not jumping into any off-the-wall theories about it, but if this series is looking as though it has a chance of explaining its origins, then yeah, I'm curious. I fail to see why that is a problem.

Shadow5YA · 2011-05-17, 20:57

That's not specifically a problem. It's only a problem when people are quick to point fingers, like some did at Homura and Kazumi. It'll take more than what we have been shown to convince me that this series will explain Walpurgisnacht's origins.

Akashin · 2011-05-17, 21:56

Ah, then I misunderstood. Yeah, I understand the irritation at people jumping at small things that might be connected to Walpurgisnacht. Nonetheless I would like to see its origins, just because it is an immensely interesting enigma in the series. We don't by any means need an explanation and I'm not completely certain we'll get one, but getting one anyway would be nice.

Riga92 · 2011-05-18, 01:03

I'm in the same boat as some other people here, I would totally dig it if Oriko showed the origins of Walpurgisnacht, but I don't think its absolutely necessary.

On another note, after thinking about it for a little while, since Oriko seems to take place in a timeline between TL4 and TL5, I can't help but think Oriko is gonna end a bit similarly to the other timelines: Whether all the magical girls will work together in the end or not, everyone except Homura and Madoka is dead, Madoka contracts and defeats Walpurgisnacht and becomes a witch, and we end the manga with Homura looping once again

sa547 · 2011-05-18, 01:07

Damn. Finished reading. This manga is darker than the rest.

Spoiler:

Riga92 · 2011-05-18, 01:56

O God...just read chapter 2, and boy does it remind me of a certain infamous episode...

Spoiler for Chapter 2:

This manga is really dark...

Used Can · 2011-05-18, 03:06

The manga is definitely darker in many aspects than the anime, but I'd say it has many parts that make compensate all that heavy mood. Like the very beginning of that chapter, for example.

I also feel the character interaction in the manga is much better than the anime.

I'm seriously expecting this to at least get some OVAs.

Shadow5YA · 2011-05-18, 03:22

Technically decapitate by definition only has to do with the head, but I understand what you meant

Riga92 · 2011-05-18, 03:32

I could see Oriko getting a short OVA adaptation. We'll have to see how it all ends first though.

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Technically decapitate by definition only has to do with the head, but I understand what you meant

Ah thanks for pointing that out. I probably used that word because I was thinking about the similarity to Mami's death

I'll change it to sever.

aeriolewinters · 2011-05-18, 06:49

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She reminds me of a certain Air Gear Character...

Dark Wing · 2011-05-18, 08:59

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Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

She reminds me of a certain Air Gear Character...

Funny she reminds me more of Wolverine...

It really is a shame this manga is only 2 volumes...damn it I want more...

Riga92 · 2011-05-18, 13:56

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Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

She reminds me of a certain Air Gear Character...

When I first saw Kirika, I also thought she looked like a dark version of Sayaka

Neki Ecko · 2011-05-18, 14:53

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Originally Posted by Witched

If Oriko's 'prophecy' had led to believing that some strong witch would destroy the land..

Spoiler for Prophecy:

You might have a point about that but I think that what Oriko see was

Spoiler for Our favorite Witch:

I do agreed that Kazumi and Oriko will probably become OVA or Series one day down the line.

Snork · 2011-05-18, 15:32

Kazumi is downright weird so far, but I'd raise my four limbs for the adaptation of Oriko.
But I wonder who'd do the designs there - Mura or Ume-zenzei?

2011-05-17, 17:40	Link #142
Solace (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006	I don't get how Yuma can become Walpurgis. It wouldn't make sense, mainly because Homura is already a MG. If Homura knew that Yuma was Walpurgis, she'd have made preventing that one of her priorities in future timelines. Beyond that, the timeframe feels wrong. Consider the events of timeline 1. 1. A week before school. 2. Homura is well enough to go to school. 3. Has bad day and is saved from Witch. 4. Hears Mami and Madoka say they have to prepare for Walpurgis. 5. Madoka hasn't been a MG very long at all, perhaps a week. 6. Within a few weeks Mami and Madoka die facing Walpurgis, Homura contracts. 7. No Kyouko, or other major characters, in this timeline. It just doesn't add up. I think the bigger question to ask is "why is the Oriko timeline so different from the others?" and "Did Oriko actually see Walpurgis, or did she see something else?" __________________

2011-05-17, 20:02	Link #145
Witched Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011	Spoiler: Kazumi is not Walpurgisnacht. Walpurgisnacht should be at least explained in the Oriko series, right?

2011-05-18, 01:03	Link #150
Riga92 The Spear of Destiny Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: A place where the stars cross. Age: 31	I'm in the same boat as some other people here, I would totally dig it if Oriko showed the origins of Walpurgisnacht, but I don't think its absolutely necessary. On another note, after thinking about it for a little while, since Oriko seems to take place in a timeline between TL4 and TL5, I can't help but think Oriko is gonna end a bit similarly to the other timelines: Whether all the magical girls will work together in the end or not, everyone except Homura and Madoka is dead, Madoka contracts and defeats Walpurgisnacht and becomes a witch, and we end the manga with Homura looping once again __________________ Last edited by Riga92; 2011-05-18 at 01:16.

2011-05-18, 01:07	Link #151
sa547 Senior Member Author Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Philippines Age: 47	Damn. Finished reading. This manga is darker than the rest. Spoiler: I never expected a mixture of the standard MG story with child abuse and gore. This is far more brutal than Episode 3. __________________ Last edited by sa547; 2011-05-18 at 05:17.

2011-05-18, 01:56	Link #152
Riga92 The Spear of Destiny Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: A place where the stars cross. Age: 31	O God...just read chapter 2, and boy does it remind me of a certain infamous episode... Spoiler for Chapter 2: Kyouko and Yuma are sleeping together when all of a sudden Kyouko senses a witch right outside the hotel. She goes off to fight it. Yuma then wakes up a little bit later, wondering where Kyouko is, when suddenly, Oriko appears before her. Oriko basically tells her that Kyouko is about to die, so Yuma then goes off to find Kyouko. As Yuma desperately searches for Kyouko, Kyubey appears to her. Back to Kyouko, she's having some trouble fighting the witch. The witch then changes forms, catching Kyouko off guard, and proceeds to sever both her legs and her arms. The witch is about to kill her, but then Yuma shows up and heals Kyouko's limbs, and Kyouko manages to finish off the witch. Kyouko is angry that Yuma became a Puella Magi, and seeks revenge from Oriko. Last page shows the black-hair puella magi, Kirika Kure, talking to Oriko on her cellphone. Oriko has a request for her, and we see a pool of blood on Kirika's feet and blood on her face and hand. It looks like when the synopsis said "Mahou Shoujo Hunting," they really meant it... This manga is really dark... __________________ Last edited by Riga92; 2011-05-18 at 03:32.

2011-05-17, 17:03	Link #141
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Didn't she merely think "How am I supposed to stop it?", followed by a vision of Yuma. If she believed that the vision was of the potential Yuma had to actually defeat it, it makes sense that she'd send Kyuubei out to contract her. However, the vision likely meant (if Yuma does become WN) that she needs to kill this child before she falls in order to stop it.

2011-05-17, 19:56	Link #144
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	I think some people are a little too obsessed with Walpurgis Night's identity. We had a few who claimed it was Homura. Then the most recent translated chapter of Kazumi Magica came out and some thought it was Kazumi. Now Oriko Magica scans are out and some people think it's someone in this series.

2011-05-17, 20:57	Link #148
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	That's not specifically a problem. It's only a problem when people are quick to point fingers, like some did at Homura and Kazumi. It'll take more than what we have been shown to convince me that this series will explain Walpurgisnacht's origins.

2011-05-17, 21:56	Link #149
Akashin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011	Ah, then I misunderstood. Yeah, I understand the irritation at people jumping at small things that might be connected to Walpurgisnacht. Nonetheless I would like to see its origins, just because it is an immensely interesting enigma in the series. We don't by any means need an explanation and I'm not completely certain we'll get one, but getting one anyway would be nice.

2011-05-18, 03:06	Link #153
Used Can Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	The manga is definitely darker in many aspects than the anime, but I'd say it has many parts that make compensate all that heavy mood. Like the very beginning of that chapter, for example. I also feel the character interaction in the manga is much better than the anime. I'm seriously expecting this to at least get some OVAs. __________________ "The name is Tin; Used is just an alias. I'm everything Shoe Box would like to be." - Used Can of the Aluminium Kingdom

2011-05-18, 03:22	Link #154
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Technically decapitate by definition only has to do with the head, but I understand what you meant

2011-05-18, 15:32	Link #160
Snork Twilight lander Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Minsk, Belarus	Kazumi is downright weird so far, but I'd raise my four limbs for the adaptation of Oriko. But I wonder who'd do the designs there - Mura or Ume-zenzei? __________________