Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Second Season - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

[Duo Maxwell]

Originally Posted by The Small One

THAT definately wasn't a teleport. Revive just misses the 00, because it already moved away. Those particles are just floating around the suit.

I'm pretty sure you're the one who misunderstands that scene.

[RDF2050]

Damit i hate my father he take me out of the computer that same time i was watching the episode complaining about cleaning. Dam it now i have to download the RAW .

The episode is very good

[black_cat1]

Let's not have a "X is better then X" conversation when we don't really know for sure. It's just a childish argument when you don't have any source to back up your statement.

Well, you see...

Four Gundam vs many MS of A-Lols

And they took down many enemies without using TA (Setsuna not here). U think Patrick can win if he fight two Gundam at the same time ?

[kari-no-sugata]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

My take is that the phenomenon was an aftereffect of having so much GN Particles that it basically performed itself while resembling the effect I described above. Basically, the afterimage taken to the next level.

I guess we'll have to rely on future eps... and background docs... to get the full story.

In the meantime, a little observation - between when the 00 is charging through the beam (more or less) to when it is "stabbed", it doesn't change posture. So maybe it was a hologram for most of that sequence - there is a closeup on the 00's drives, which may indicate the start.

It may also be that these special tricks can only be used when moving in a straight line, or something like that.

If we assume that the stabbed 00 image was that way all along, then maybe Setsuna's shocked expression is for another reason - ie he was witnessing the scene from another angle and didn't realise what was going on until the last second.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by black_cat1

And they took down many enemies without using TA (Setsuna not here). U think Patrick can win if he fight two Gundam at the same time ?

So you're telling me the Gundams are better then Patrick because they can win a 2 on 1 match?

Oh yeah, such a fair fight that will be. Great way to find out who is the better pilot.

[velocity7]

I'm leaning towards 00 now having an ability not much unlike Jehuty's Zero Shift from Zone of the Enders. And don't take 3-5 seconds of delay for granted, people, because we call that dramatic effect!

Also, Trans-Am does not determine who is a better ace pilot. It only determines who gets the massive advantage bias; if you want a clear case of who is better in combat, have a look back at episode 7 when Graham nearly killed Setsuna.

Finally, Ahead and GN-X units are not as great as a Gundam, but in large numbers, they can overwhelm a Gundam.

[Pink-chan]

If it wasn't hat we are on the halfway of the series and Lyle is one of the main characters this season, he would have been offed . Patrick is still the joker. Did anyone counted how many times he battled with Gundam and survived?

Wow that 00 Raiser for having such a power. Mirage? Teleportation? Moreover, voices can be heard. I wonder what else 00 Raiser can do?

[velocity7]

If Setsuna starts making use of the ability to hear voices like he did in episode 12, we are going to see him become The Ultimate Pilot(tm), lol

Unless the Innovators have a way of being able to block him from reading minds, they are so screwed for the rest of this series.

[black_cat1]

So you're telling me the Gundams are better then Patrick because they can win a 2 on 1 match?

Just ask u a question

Can Patrick survive if he fight many enemies at the same time like Gundams did?

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by black_cat1

Can Patrick survive if he fight many enemies at the same time like Gundams did?

That's not really a fare question now is it? They're the main Mobile Suits of the franchise, so of course we're going to see them doing things like that. Get Patrick in a Gundam and i'll talk to you on the subject.

& you keep changing your question from it's original source, just because i made it clear that your original statement was wrong.

[KanaKaishou]

Originally Posted by black_cat1

Just ask u a question

Can Patrick survive if he fight many enemies at the same time like Gundams did?

If he had a Gundam? I don't see why not, if they can basically throw a n00b like Lyle into a Gundam, and he does fine.

[Pink-chan]

Originally Posted by velocity7

If Setsuna starts making use of the ability to hear voices like he did in episode 12, we are going to see him become The Ultimate Pilot(tm), lol

Unless the Innovators have a way of being able to block him from reading minds, they are so screwed for the rest of this series.

Ultimate pilot? If that is the case, he can finally be on par with Kira Yamato. Setsuna needs more training. He relied too much on his machine. To take on Innovators is really something. Before he get screwed, he really need to know his machine and fight with it to its maximum capability.

Oh yeah, Mr Bushido hasn't appeared yet.

[black_cat1]

& you keep changing your question from it's original source, just because i made it clear that your original statement was wrong.

I'm not changing anything. I just prove that the old Meister are better than Patrick, if u answer that because they are main char, then I have nothing to say anymore.

GN-XIII is not worse than Gundam too much, and the Meister didn't use TA, their speacial ability. In the past, Gundams took down the enemy just by their skill, not some special power.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by black_cat1

I'm not changing anything. I just prove that the old Meister are better than Patrick, if u answer that because they are main char, then I have nothing to say anymore.

Haha why would i say they're better just because they're main characters?

Sorry but the Gundam pilots have not shown me that they're ace pilots. It's characters like Ali and Graham, also the same goes for Patrick. It's just that his luck isn't very good.

[pingva]

Originally Posted by black_cat1

I'm not changing anything. I just prove that the old Meister are better than Patrick, if u answer that because they are main char, then I have nothing to say anymore.

GN-XIII is not worse than Gundam too much, and the Meister didn't use TA, their speacial ability. In the past, Gundams took down the enemy just by their skill, not some special power.

Most of the fights in season one gundams won, because gundam was superior mecha. If you want to see some skills look at Graham, Ali, Sergei, Halleliujah, Soma and even Patrick.

[patnam]

As i see 00 Raiser's battle, its Twin Drive System has other function that can read the Innovators mine, that's why Aeolia wanted to create this to surpass the Innovators superior...

[black_cat1]

Sorry but the Gundam pilots have not shown me that they're ace pilots. It's characters like Ali and Graham, also the same goes for Patrick. It's just that his luck isn't very good.

You forgot that in ep 25 of s1, when Tieria got hit by Avaltore's cannon. Patrick and his comrade took advantage and tried to kill him. Tieria took them down just by two shots at all.

Most of the fights in season one gundams won, because gundam was superior mecha. If you want to see some skills look at Graham, Ali, Sergei, Halleliujah, Soma and even Patrick.

I said about battles in ss2.
Halle is truly a super soldier, even Sergei can't match with him. Soma only target Alle so I don't know about her skill. Sergei, Ali, Graham are veteran at all.

[Revolutionist]

Omg, ESCAPE PODS! lol it's about time we had these in Gundam.

[ipernorris]

Originally Posted by velocity7

Also, Trans-Am does not determine who is a better ace pilot. It only determines who gets the massive advantage bias; if you want a clear case of who is better in combat, have a look back at episode 7 when Graham nearly killed Setsuna.

While I think Setsuna isn't the best pilot around in Gundam 00 universe, I think the specific episode you're referring to doesn't prove Graham is better than Setsuna. I mean Setsuna with trans-am activated was overwhelming Graham, but then Gundam 00 started to whine and it went off line completely... if that wouldn't have happened Graham would be in the dead count characters by now.
In the final episode of S1 Setsuna performed very well against Graham as well, WITHOUT Trans-Am... too bad he just finished off Alvatore so Exia didn't have enough energy to repeat Trans-am not to mention Setsuna was really tired.

Finally, Ahead and GN-X units are not as great as a Gundam, but in large numbers, they can overwhelm a Gundam.

Well that's a given in Gundam 00 universe luckyly: unlike seed universe a tons of cannon fodders can take down a named gundam. It's like in reality: quality can be overwhelmed and erased by quantity.

Anyway guys regarding the Gundam 00 Riser teleportation theory: I think it's true.
We already know GN particles are used by Innovators as a mean for istant communication (they lead quantum waves).
I think the purest form of GN particles, the one produced by Gundam 00 Riser (aren't they green?), allow istant movement as well...
The visual effects about when Gundam 00 was stabbed and then disappeared are TOTALLY DIFFERENT than the ones used for Trans-am movements so they're clearly two different things.

[nutype]

just finished the episode that has to be the most hax gundam Ive ever seen. Freedom has nothing on 00 raiser in trans am.