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View Poll Results: Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 14 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 68 | 56.67% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 34 | 28.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 10.83% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 2.50% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.83% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.83% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2009-01-17, 08:13 | Link #81 |
RUN, YOU FOOLS!
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost
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I think of it that way. We have grown so used to physical display of affection in western romance shows, or the ever out-of-place passionate kiss in a genre (action, horror) not meant for that, that we take the PDA in a romance anime for granted.
So when the director decided to go for another take, not show any PDA, people cringe. I don't know about KyoAni, perhaps the director is not confident enough in his own ability, perhaps he think that doing it would turn Clannad into a George Lucas Love Story (you all watched the Anakin trilogy, you know what I mean). But the result is here. The audience is polarized, one side welcome it or accept it, the other (very vocal thanks to a minority) flail and call it an outrage. So what's left? We have to trust it on the animators to execute it in the body language of the characters, their glances, etc... We also have to count on the voice actors to convey the right tone for the emotion, to remind us that they are the couple. |
2009-01-17, 08:39 | Link #83 | |
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Besides, with this young couple scrimping and saving, that little difference is nothing compared to their need for financial freedom. And that of course determines their pick between buying a two-person futon, and a one-man one. As for the pacing, I agree with Sheba. The perspective one holds before watching a show is kind of critical to how he will enjoy it(or not). In this case I guess we could say that 'Romantic development is in the eye of the beholder'. |
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2009-01-17, 09:59 | Link #84 | |
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2009-01-17, 12:22 | Link #86 | |
You are Next
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: NE USA
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It is kind of mind blowing that he isn't completely thinking with his other 'head'. 'In my romantic comedy? GTFO.' This season's definitely taken a slide more towards slice of life and drama, with enough comedy bits from Akio to balance it out a little. The comedy is the sugar frosting, just enough to sweeten it up. A while back someone mentioned the connection between marriage and gambling, it probably has to do with arranged marriages. You never quite knew who you were going to end up with. And either the couple connected or they didn't. Or they made an effort to connect anyway. Some couple end up together under almost 'shotgun wedding' like circumstances yet manage to eventually become a meaningful couple, despite their quirks. Does this make sense? |
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2009-01-17, 15:23 | Link #87 |
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...Wow, I knew that part at the end of the episode would be coming sooner or later, but I really didn't expect it THIS soon, nor did I think it would be portrayed so... comically... Not that I'm complaining, it just surprised me. Apart from that, Akio was awesome, the scenes of Tomoya and Nagisa together were cute, and for once, the ending actually felt apropriate. I'd give this episode a 9/10, which is a step down from last week, but hey, one can't expect EVERY episode to be perfect... Now, I'm expecting the last 10 episodes to be utterly flawless! (Contradicting yourself is awesome, by the way.)
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2009-01-17, 15:38 | Link #88 | |||||
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2009-01-17, 15:59 | Link #89 |
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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I suggest that authors merely want to display a truly pure platonic relationship. Okazaki's union is still beautiful as it is, without any physical content implied. They made a FAMILY and learning how to deal with each other in that way and handle various situations. Remember that most animes with romance don't go this far - no marriage follows, and parents are usually not involved. Family is the main subject - of this episode and Clannad in a whole. That makes it Unique, since ecchi stuff is already overdone in other series.
Plus, the way a "sleep-over" fact was revealed at the end of the episode is much more amazing other than if we saw some cliche "prelude before doing THIS" scene earlier, don't you think so. The way she confessed it before her parenets and husband... must be one of the most epic scenes in history of the anime Series is still going, so maybe we will get some kind of intimate scenes in a manner of flashbacks, I suppose |
2009-01-17, 16:36 | Link #91 |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: USA
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Shouldn't it go without saying a married couple is having sex? Again the problem isn't that the romance isn't shown, the problem is that what is shown is what you'd normally associate with a very young couple at the beginning of their relationship. Not newlyweds who have been dating for 2 years.
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2009-01-17, 16:54 | Link #92 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
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For another, in the game, Tomoya and Nagisa are less physically intimate than any other pairing, although they at least have SOME physical contact. I think the important thing is that they love each other, really. |
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2009-01-17, 17:34 | Link #95 | |
阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180
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Location: Belgium, Brussels
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Japanese are known to be extremely prude, and you don't see much active sex activities in a conjugal situation (the demography is aging very badly recently). Of course, you do have "normal couples", but there are a lot of couples that can't even have sex more than once a month or something. That applies as well for intimate and affection etc (remember folks: you don't kiss right in the open in Japan. You don't even talk about your girlfriend/boyfriend etc openly etc). So please remove the idea that "the vision of a couple" you have must be applied in a fiction, especially if it is based on some totally different culture.
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2009-01-17, 18:55 | Link #96 |
.: A bad doggy :.
Join Date: Jun 2007
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You people have to stop using 'It's taking place' in Japan as a fallback to what we're complaining / talking about.
My biggest gripe is the pacing. It's awful. All the real important stuff, her actually finishing high school, her dream with the drama club, actual, honest to god displays of affection, are just being withheld from us, and all we're being given is the end result. There's as much to love about the end result as there should be with the journey it took to get there, but we are being denied of that. If people have invested this much time to care for the characters, at the very least we want to actually see the characters care for each other just a little tiny bit. And noone is talking about 'ecchi' / pornographic stuff either. No one's asking Tomoya to jump into the shower to bonk Nagisa behind a curtain in the anime. I've already brought up that body language goes a very, very long way in these instances, and it can be applied without having any sexual overtones to it at all. Toradora and To Aru Majutsu no Index have done this on several occasions, and it's done wonders in displaying the workings of the relationships in said shows. Clannad has steered, far, far, far away from even that, and again, in terms of actually telling the story it feels like horribly wasted potential. I'm not asking for them to be all over each other, I'm not asking for them to kiss one another every two seconds, or to act like drunk in love newlyweds. I'm just asking for SOMETHING because we really haven't been given ANYTHING and that's a shame. The first time I've come across a show to go this far in an established relationship with two characters and it still feels like it's lacking so much.
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2009-01-17, 19:18 | Link #97 |
where's the snow?
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Its sort of sad, just because its not going as you wish you have a fit. No amount of arguing or badgering is going to change the show. Ether you are going to like it or not and if someone else has a different like or dislike, it does not mean ether of you are right or wrong.
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2009-01-17, 19:25 | Link #98 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
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It also does an excellent job of putting the player in Tomoya's position, which I thought was awesome. |
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2009-01-17, 19:29 | Link #99 |
Knowledge is the solution
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St. Louis, MO
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To be truthful to a more moderate level I'm with Master Chibi in that I'm disappointed in how KyoAni has treated the physical affection between the couple.(Quoting myself, there is a difference between 'just a little', and 'subtle' and 'plain nothing', 'nada' and non existent.) I still see one or two ways in which they could fix this, but somehow I don't see it coming. Aw well.
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2009-01-17, 19:37 | Link #100 |
阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180
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That is the same for me (I did complain as well for the "stingy" side of it) and advocating with the game content is moot point here.
However, I believe there is also a very strong problem in term of culture in this storytelling, as some people can't picture "a couple unable to hug/kiss right on the open suddenly able to have sex". That is, the problem is how the anime series is using many flashforwards and thus certainly reduced a lot further implicit hints that could have been used (such like both being very uneasy earlier than that point of the plot). But aside of that, it is rather how the perspective of some is satisfied with the implicit alone or not. That is, it is quite ironic that most noted many scenes that they could kiss and the like, though the series didn't show that. That shows how much the mood and both are working for such kind of relationship, yet the animators just don't use a face value event.
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