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Perfect 10 | 18 | 30.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 26 | 43.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 23.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 1.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.67% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-01-18, 23:42 | Link #81 | ||
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Maybe by not having them express jealousy over Akane's fortune in life? If you're truly happy, why would you be jealous of your friend? Akane's friends strike me as the closest we come to average young adult women in the world of Psycho-Pass, and they didn't strike me as any more happy than average young adult women in the real world.
We have seen... 1) An awful place of work, where harsh bullying goes on and people are completely cut off from the outside world (even including internet access). 2) People turning to online gurus like Talisman and Spooky Boogy for help. 3) An all-girl's school where the teachers and students don't appear any more or less happy than your typical teenage girl anime character attending an all-girl's school. 4) Kougami's old Professor, who didn't strike me as exactly thrilled with the Sibyl system. 5) The woman who interviewed the Cyborg Hunter. She struck me as about as happy as your average reporter is. 6) Akane's friends. 7) Yayoi as a musician, and her friend Rina. At this point, we've actually had a fairly diverse sampling of the people living in the world of Psycho-Pass, including teenaged high school students, news reporters, former Professors, high school teachers, police officers, Detectives, factory workers, artists, musicians, directors/managers. Psycho-Pass hasn't covered everything, but it's covered a fair slice of the society of its world. And I'm not seeing significantly happier people than average, everyday people in real life. You have happy couples in real life too, of course. I would argue that the Director is associating "happiness" with things like job security, basic employment, and lack of crime. And sure, all of that helps to some degree (and is probably why your average person in the world of Psycho-Pass just sort of passively goes along with the system without much complaint), but I don't think it helps as much as the Director thinks it does. Especially when you have places of work as bad as that one from the third episode. People on this thread have argued that Urobuchi has gone to a great degree to cast Makishima in a negative light. Personally, I would say that Urobuchi has gone to a much greater degree to cast Sibyl in a negative light. We've seen all sorts of people in diverse places and/or professions fall through the cracks of this system. And I haven't seen many people that have benefited in a clear-cut way from this system. Someone like Akane would have excelled in almost any societal context, imo. Quote:
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2013-01-19, 02:26 | Link #82 | ||||
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You're making the assumption that the majority of people in the real world can somehow be happier (but how?), whereas I would think if the majority of people are happy like right now, then a Sibyl world wouldn't improve happiness for the main majority because they've already reached the maximum happiness their current lives will give them. There wasn't anything implying they would be happier than the old world, just a greater number of "happy" people, achieving the most happiness that they could ever have in their life. Quote:
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I would associate them similar to the characters in Special Victims Unit (except being a proactive task force rather than reactive), in that they deal with the scummiest of scums, and even start questioning their own morality from time to time. How I viewed this episode in relation to all the previous episodes is that: a) we just assume the positive aspects of Sibyl is correct (yes, I'm aware they're really only telling this rather than showing) b) The CID are the support that ensures they are the only ones who see the heinous side of the world (both brought on by Sibyl and human nature). I would say that the lack of showing the positive aspect of Sibyl to specific people helps prevent the viewers from associating the benefits to a specific person (which helps make us or the characters question on why they're trying to help this world because they don't see a specific person benefiting from it). The fact it's shown as a thankless job makes it a bit more darker (and probably true in real life, anyway). Quote:
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2013-01-19, 04:45 | Link #83 | |
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Are you even reading other peoples posts -_-|||. There working for sybil cause they have all been conditioned to think its right. Do some comparing to real life events or put your self in the characters shoes. How can some one born with out much freedom know that there freedom has been taken. Sybil's benefits to society are lies but people trust sybil so much now it has become they're eyes ears and mouth to put quite frankly they are puppets really I am not getting how some one could miss this. If they questioned Sybil they're psycho pass would go up like Gino father did until he accepted sybil that sounds alot like how Winston in 1984 was tortured and Held in prison till he was reprogrammed to only love big brother and serve it with out question alot less brutal here in psyho pass but you see the comparison.Eventually Masaoka gave into the propaganda and told him self hai theres less crime with sybil people are loving longer I guess I was the one who was wrong. The problem I am seeing with people understanding psycho pass is instead of just ruleing threw fear and total brainwashing with propaganda, Or Ruleing threw Lies of prosperity and de education its ruling threw both. Stories like this are supposed to make us think of were are government is going. Perfect example the new gun law trying to get passed the common person thinks if the government is saying a 10 round magazine is a lot it must be sure restrict the guns.Seeing as how it got passed here in N.Y. state I am going with people will accept anything. When this law is complete B.S. the only thing not banned by this are shot guns and large caliber revolvers most semi auto hand guns have a 8 and above clip size. Same for .22 caliber revolvers. And half the shootings that happen are with illegal guns you never see this kinda uproar about gang shootings but a common person will not do this kinda research they will go with what ever the government says. We already had people flat out say sybil is bad the Avatars,Rina look how the people in the club for the avatars were treated...These enforcers are starting to seem more like dicks if this keeps up no matter how many people maki kills they are just as bad. They had better start questioning sybil or be made out to look like bad guys during Rina's arc to get some redemption. Also if anyone taught like you or me in the enforcers situations we would probably be put down before we could rise up or go on the run.
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2013-01-19, 08:27 | Link #84 | |||
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For the most part, I think life under Sibyl is duller. Getting a job you like isn't a triumph. It's just par for the course. |
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2013-01-19, 10:41 | Link #85 | ||
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Enforcers are part of the Bureau. They are most likely scanned more than anyone else. No room for backlash there. And given what we know about the eventual fate of latents and what Kou said when recruiting Yayoi...it may be a survival of the fittest for them. Predator thinking if you will. IE they really have become what Sybil feared they would become thanks to Sybil.
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2013-01-19, 10:48 | Link #86 |
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No doubt. Just pointing out - our society's isn't a utopia where everyone's happy either. Plenty of people are sacrificed, even if it's not in as direct a way as "jailed for life for thoughtcrimes".
For one Kagari unjustly imprisoned, how many people who don't have to worry about getting mugged, or becoming hobos? Last edited by Anh_Minh; 2013-01-19 at 14:07. |
2013-01-19, 13:29 | Link #87 | |
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And at the same time, it is worth pointing out that the system is accomplishing only one thing in that society: it is forcibly suppressing those urge which lead people to mutual destruction. It hasn't evolved humanity in anyway, but in some came cases a devolution process is taking place, i.e. that homicidal girl's father who used to draw before becoming a vegetable. The incentive is that if one doesn't suppress those urge, one will be terminated. Has anyone yet wondered how many people has been killed so far by the Dominator since the Sibyl System came into place in that society?
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2013-01-19, 14:10 | Link #88 | |
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2013-01-19, 14:58 | Link #91 | |
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Here is another thought that has crossed my mind.... I wonder what the female boss's reading would have been if a Psycho Pass scan was ran on her? Was her Psycho Pass clouded when she talked about "erasing" the previous one in a million anomaly like Makishima?
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2013-01-19, 15:42 | Link #93 |
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I appreciate that Sybil -- while finally acknowledged in-universe by those in the know to be imperfect -- is given a fairly reasonable defense: "Of course it's not perfect. What right could anyone have to expect it to be? It's the best we could do, and it's working almost perfectly as intended."
Considering what Urobuchi's own opinion of such a society-shaping construct would likely be, I think Sybil's been shown in a pretty good light when examined. It comes off as a (usually) reliable measure of "good" versus "evil", as it has been programmed to understand these concepts, and provides feedback based on dispassionate equations. Any authorial condemnation seems to be reserved for how humans have decided to respond to suddenly having access to all of this information at a moment's notice. In this scenario, Sybil itself is neutral and entirely rational, just inflexible. Yet even so, they continue throwing out these observations that seem to hint at something shady about Sybil in general. This week Ginoza comes right out and says that it seems as though Masaoka's rejection of Sybil lead directly to Sybil rejecting him. It's hard to know how to feel about that. Boss lady's observation that Sybil's blind spots are why humans are still hired to be detectives makes perfect sense until you remember that Bureau training no longer seems to prepare them for these eventualities. Exhibit A: Akane in episode 11. It's funny, a few weeks ago I observed that if Sybil were making all the decisions, then they would just arm drones with dominators and disband the police force. The existence of the Bureau is a ray of hope that organized society still values the human element in its own enforcement. It's something of a relief to have it confirmed that this isn't entirely for cosmetic purposes. Last edited by ThereminVox; 2013-01-19 at 15:57. |
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2013-01-19, 16:17 | Link #95 | |
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2013-01-19, 17:09 | Link #97 | |
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Yes, core aspects of Sybil are bad. Duh. But if your analysis stops there you'll miss out on a substantial portion of what the story has to offer. It's unrealistic to assume that the people in the Psychopass universe are all not as smart as we are and only abide by Sybil because they have yet to figure out what we geniuses have known all along: certain aspects of Sybil are bad. Come on guys. It's not like you just uncovered an easter egg. Anybody with half a brain will detect the gnarly portion of Sybil from miles away. Trust that the people in the Psychopass universe saw Sybil's flaws too but decided to go with it anyway because they found enough of an upside to it to compensate for its admittedly substantial dangers. You may not like the choice they made. But don't be so smug in assuming they only did it because they were dumb. My last point on this thread: I'm sure nobody here is a fan of Sybil, and for those who still don't get it, nobody here is advocating anything like Sybil in the real world. But the system we have right now is not perfect either, and the the point of the exercise is to open minds and expand our discussion even into areas that we find distasteful and uncomfortable in the hope that this may lead to more creative solutions to real problems. Or a least, that's what I think. |
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2013-01-19, 20:34 | Link #98 |
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As we saw in an earlier episode when Akane was surprised of someone being unemployed in the time period they live in, there are obviously 'advantages' to the Cybil System. Like many fictional dystopias, Cybil-world is in many ways a utopia with a fatal flaw. The level of organization of their society (the efficiency + employment), and the careful management of everyone's psychological state to avoid stress, are things many people would pine for today. The problem is that they have sacrificed what we consider to be some fundamental aspects of the human experience in doing so through the 'soulless' and rigid system. In a minor sense, this may lead to less life fulfillment and a totally guided life experience that seems inherently undesirable to those influenced by modern Western ideas. In a more extreme sense, it leads to the imprisonment of 'potential' threats and the outright annihilation of those deemed unfit even for attempts at rehabilitation. The structure is rigid and cold in a frighteningly inhuman way, detracting, at an emotional and primal level, from the many advantages presented by their society.
Anyways, it had crossed my mind that Masaoka would be Ginoza's father, but I shook it off because their interactions never seemed to hint at such a relationship. I guess the parental bond has just cooled to such a degree that they don't even consider that connection in their day to day interaction. I certainly like the old school detective ethic of Masaoka more (he may be my favorite character), but I see Ginoza as a sympathetic figure with some misguided beliefs largely based on fear. |
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2013-01-19, 23:07 | Link #100 |
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Great episode as always. And certainly full of surprises:
Holy cow...totally did not see the Old Guy as Gino's dad. That came as a total shocker to me. Shogo is an anomaly and it's not the first time this has happened; I get the feeling that Shogo's going to pull an Aizen and troll the living shit out of everyone before this is overwith. I was glad to see that Akane was dealing with things all right...though I still get the feeling that something isn't right with her. And it's going to be her relationship with Ko that factors into it. The Sibyl System is starting to remind me of 1984... |
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