To Aru Kagaku no Railgun - Character Discussion - Misaka "Biri Biri" Mikoto

[I_am_Kami]

I meant to say take on fodder. Not just one.

And Stiyl is fodder.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Do we really have to do this again?

Since Kamachi said he's going to include her into the fight, can't we just fucking wait and see the facts of what happens instead of throwing around opinions like what we have done so for the past two years?

[Drifting Wolf]

^

Agreed. Let's allow the author to do his work rather than argue pointlessly about her battle prowess.

[Ashaman]

Now now. Styl is at least Elite Fodder

[tsunade666]

If Styl was serious he isn't just a fodder. If one innocentious is troublesome enough wait till he summons 3. And if he survive the rain of Freya of Pendex do you really think his just a fodder?

[kuroishinigami]

Originally Posted by judasmartel

*snip*

Most of the enemies in Railgun if not all belong to the Science side. And she would not have defeated the Graviton Bomber (an esper) if not for Imagine Breaker, who will take on some of the most dangerous mages in the world later on.

On the matter of Accelerator and the Sisters, Mikoto was simply no match for Accel due to the latter's vector redirection ability, which in theory will make her eat her own Railgun as a result. And it didn't help that Mikoto already had a death wish for herself to keep Accel from killing any more Sisters. And frankly, Onee-sama, that won't help as the AC Scientists will continue the Level 6 Shift for Accel no matter what.

So the only way to stop that is to disprove the fact that Accel IS the strongest esper in AC. Luckily, A Certain Level Zero Imagine Breaker did just that.

A few thing I want to point out. Theoretically, Mikoto can deal with the graviton bomb easily since the bomb made from metal(alumunium) after all. She can easily suspend the shrapnel in one place or even use it to hold the explosion's wave so it won't reach anyone. Her lack of battle experience(and lack of consistency by the story writer for the manga ) is what keep her from disarming the bomb safely.

As for the level 6 shift project, she plans to die on the first move to screw the assumption used on the calculation for level 6 shift project, as in 20.000 sisters needed if she die on 128th moves, but how many needed if her ability can only hold on for 1 move? The scientist doesn't have the means to re-simulate the calculation because the tree diagram went down(Aleister might have other way to simulate it, but since it's not his primary target, he probably won't even bother to do it). You have to remember that the scientist do the project not because they're an extreme sadist or just for the heck of it, but because they have a clear purpose for the experiment. Take the purpose away and they will no longer have any reason to do the experiment, so yes, her plan is viable to stop the level 6 shift project albeit with one casualty.

[Drifting Wolf]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

If Styl was serious he isn't just a fodder. If one innocentious is troublesome enough wait till he summons 3. And if he survive the rain of Freya of Pendex do you really think his just a fodder?

The thing is, Innocentius puts such a heavy strain on his body that he can only summon ONE. That is his trump card. He fought Pendex by running and tricking her with illusions. There's also the fact that Innocentius requires a blatantly long aria that needs people to buy time for him.

It's why he was partnered with someone instead of being a lone operative.

[Drifting Wolf]

Originally Posted by kuroishinigami

A few thing I want to point out. Theoretically, Mikoto can deal with the graviton bomb easily since the bomb made from metal(alumunium) after all. She can easily suspend the shrapnel in one place or even use it to hold the explosion's wave so it won't reach anyone. Her lack of battle experience(and lack of consistency by the story writer for the manga ) is what keep her from disarming the bomb safely.

As for the level 6 shift project, she plans to die on the first move to screw the assumption used on the calculation for level 6 shift project, as in 20.000 sisters needed if she die on 128th moves, but how many needed if her ability can only hold on for 1 move? The scientist doesn't have the means to re-simulate the calculation because the tree diagram went down(Aleister might have other way to simulate it, but since it's not his primary target, he probably won't even bother to do it). You have to remember that the scientist do the project not because they're an extreme sadist or just for the heck of it, but because they have a clear purpose for the experiment. Take the purpose away and they will no longer have any reason to do the experiment, so yes, her plan is viable to stop the level 6 shift project albeit with one casualty.

Aluminium isn't a ferromagnetic material. She can't do anything about it. What exactly are you talking about here?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

If Styl was serious he isn't just a fodder. If one innocentious is troublesome enough wait till he summons 3. And if he survive the rain of Freya of Pendex do you really think his just a fodder?

'Serious' is a very vague term, I'll never forget that Stiyl pretty much lost to everybody under the sun with a name up to that point in the end. Suddenly because of one deed he's now supposedly hardcore material? It don't work that way.

[kuroishinigami]

Originally Posted by Drifting Wolf

Aluminium isn't a ferromagnetic material. She can't do anything about it. What exactly are you talking about here?

Eh really? So aluminium is not affected by magnetic force at all? Me and my failed physics. This is what happened when I only use mathematics without touching physics even a little bit for 2 years My second point still remains though

[ovum]

Originally Posted by kuroishinigami

As for the level 6 shift project, she plans to die on the first move to screw the assumption used on the calculation for level 6 shift project, as in 20.000 sisters needed if she die on 128th moves, but how many needed if her ability can only hold on for 1 move? The scientist doesn't have the means to re-simulate the calculation because the tree diagram went down(Aleister might have other way to simulate it, but since it's not his primary target, he probably won't even bother to do it). You have to remember that the scientist do the project not because they're an extreme sadist or just for the heck of it, but because they have a clear purpose for the experiment. Take the purpose away and they will no longer have any reason to do the experiment, so yes, her plan is viable to stop the level 6 shift project albeit with one casualty.

Seeing as she went all out assaulting and destroying al thus research facilities without putting any major pressure on the research. The researchers may have been under the assumption she had become desperate to stop the experiment to do a suicide attack with the aim to die on the first attack to overthrow their calculations. Which just means they would most likely have continued the research anyway.

[Zakoo]

But in the end, it was up to Aleister to decide when the experiment would be stopped or not, he could have done it when Misaka began to destroy facilities or after, the whole level 6 thing was messed up. Sometimes, I wonder why he waited for Touma to step in, did he lose control on the scientists? Probably not.

Whether her plan works or not is up to speculation, but I don't think it would have helped Aleister to lose the Third. Well .. maybe he would have replaced her with #000.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by ovum

Seeing as she went all out assaulting and destroying al thus research facilities without putting any major pressure on the research. The researchers may have been under the assumption she had become desperate to stop the experiment to do a suicide attack with the aim to die on the first attack to overthrow their calculations. Which just means they would most likely have continued the research anyway.

That's alot of assumption and using the powers of hindsight given to the audience sure it might make sense to us, but as I've recalled even up to the point where ITEM was called in, nobody knew it was her that had been destroying the facilities.

And even if that's the case, they have zero way of confirming her emotional state besides guessing... And you know they don't guess.

[ovum]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

That's alot of assumption and using the powers of hindsight given to the audience sure it might make sense to us, but as I've recalled even up to the point where ITEM was called in, nobody knew it was her that had been destroying the facilities.

And even if that's the case, they have zero way of confirming her emotional state besides guessing... And you know they don't guess.

In vol 5 chapter 25 Kihara and some other researcher speculated that attacker is 'her' which is most probably aimed towards Mikoto. Also according to ITEM's informer the client had already verified who the perpetrator is.

While its true we don't know what kind of information the researchers have on Mikotos emotional state, we can assume they would properly investigate irregularities such as #3 getting killed by the first attack instead of the calculated amount. Also remember they still have 2 satellites left that sure should cover surveillance on the more important residents of AC.

But when I think about it Aleister would probably have intervened and used that excuse to stop the experiment so he could spread the sisters around the world in either way that fight would have ended.

[Flere821]

Originally Posted by Ashaman

Hey Flere, did you mean this bit? Cause this is a scene I missed somehow:



Basically, Lessar started to explain, but gave up before she even got to the meat of the situation because Misaka naturally tried to make sense of it using the knowledge she already had. And again I'd like to point out that this is without a practical demonstration, and is in fact before she'd ever even seen magic of any sort.

I can't really blame Misaka for not getting magic, because from the information that she has been given through the series, while making the leap to magic is not out of the question, it still takes a rather strange mental turn to think of it when there exists other, perfectly natural reasoning.

I meant the second bit. But yeah, good point about no one ever just show Mikoto magic, compared to Touma and others in his room.

[I_am_Kami]

So I heard Mikoto has mindrape powers. When did this happen?

[Mr.Kyon]

Originally Posted by I_am_Kami

So I heard Mikoto has mindrape powers. When did this happen?

Uh, what?

[arson88]

Originally Posted by I_am_Kami

So I heard Mikoto has mindrape powers. When did this happen?

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...74596&page=259

Spoiler for Are you refering to this?:

Originally Posted by Ashaman

Spoiler for Because that's an epic rape face.:

Blind Spots
Grass, Water, Fire. Rock, Paper, Scisors.

Circles of greater to weaker. Every kid of age three and up could understand such a simple concept.

Of course, here in the real world, things were never so clear cut. Still, this cycle of one greater than another taught a very valuble lesson. There was no such thing as invincible.

Accelerator could beat a man with a gun. The man with a gun could beat Imagine Breaker. Imagine Breaker could beat Accelerator.

Every power had its blind spots.

This was something that the final living member of SCHOOL, a blonde teenage girl currently wearing a knee length blue dress was acutely aware of.

Her abilty was extremely rare, though she privately doubted it was unique like a few of the researchers had told her. Measure Heart, the abilty to regulate the distance between peoples hearts. With it, she could make someone see her as a lover, a friend, a sister, a parent - anything she wanted, she could make that person's heart see her as that. The head was another matter entirely.

In theory, she could even use it to take on the Number One in Acedemy City and win. But that's where the problem lay. That was all in theory.

In reality, the girl in the dress' knees shook as the demented girl took one step closer to her, a black jacket worn over her own prestigous school uniform.

The girl's tea coloured hair was matted, and her eyes had dark bags under them, signs that the girl, the Railgun and ranked Third Level 5, hadn't been taking care of hereslf lately.

It had been a preplanned encounter. The Girl in the Dress had met the depressed Electro Master in a back alley, the black jacket of a certain Level 0 casually drapped across her shoulders.

Nuzzaling the cloth, Measure Heart had mentioned that it still had his scent all over it.

"What did you say?" the Railgun hissed.

"I said, it still smells like him," Measure Heart sighed happily. "Such a good smell. Or don't you remember it? Or maybe you never experienced it? Kamijou Touma's scent," she added with a cruel smirk and a girlish giggle.

"I know you loved him. But he never loved you. Did you know that?"

"What are you-"

"I was a close friend of his. All those girls he saved... he held all of them close. He loved them, made love to them all. All but you." the girl sneered.

"You were nothing but a pain to him. A little girl who brought him nothing but trouble. And just you know what the worst part was... It's that you couldn't even save him, in the end. Man, for a Level 5, you sure were nothing but a stupid little hinderance to him. At least the other girls brought him relief as only a woman could, littl-"

"SHUT. UP!" As expected, the Railgun was furious. Electricity crackled from her bangs, the sound of her teeth grinding together practically audible even over the blaring thunder that Misaka's anger created. Even her normally brown eyes appeared blue with the sparks of elecricity surrounding her.

Measure Heart felt that mentioning the Railgun's dead love was a low blow, but she was ordered to anger the girl, and this was easily the most effective method.

With the Level 5's anger at its peak, Measure Heart turned to run, switching the distance of Misaka Mikoto's heart in relation to her own to the same as Kamijou's.

After all, the young woman would at least hesitate before zapping her first love, right?

As it turned out, wrong.

The Girl in the Dress hadn't even taken a single step before electricity coarsed through her body.

Spasming, the Level 4 fell to her knees.

However, the voltage (or was it the amperage. The SCHOOL member wasn't sure at the moment) wasn't high enough to do any more than that. A taser could do more damage.

Scared but still confident she wouldn't be badly harmed, the girl began to quickly climb to her feet, only to have the school jacket belonging to a certain boy ripped from her body as the collar was grabbed from behind and the Level 5's foot impacted onto her ass, sending her falling forward face into the alleyway wall.

Measure Heart scrambled up and turned to face her assulter, and what she saw caused her to pale.

The Level 5 was slipping her arms into the jacket's sleeves, one at a time, an eeary smile on her face.

That was when Measure Heart understood.

She'd come up with this plan using information from before the boy the Railgun loved died in a far off frozen sea. She'd based her steategy on outdated information.

Right now this girl was unstable. She was a blind spot. Who knew how she would react to someone imitating Kamijou in her heart.

However, before Measure Heart could change the distance between their hearts to some other postion, the Railgun spoke, stopping her cold.

"You know, he could block all my attacks with his Right hand." As the mentally unstable Railgun spoke, she caressed her own right hand with her left, the corners of her lips slowly stretching backwards. "I could go all out on him, because I knew he'd be fine. I trusted him to take all I could dish out," she stated wistfully.

"All my power," she continued, taking a step closer. "All my tantrums, all my fear, all my hopes, all my dreams..."

With each point, the brown haired girl stepped closer, until at last the distance between them was nothing. The Railgun's hand shot out and clutched tightly onto Measure Heart's, the younger girl deliberately entertwining their fingers like lovers would, simultainiously slamming the blond girl's back against the alley wall.

"All my love," Misaka finally breathed, fully pinning the Level 4.

The blonde's eyes widened. She had a distinct feeling she knew where this was going, and she was entirely striaght, thank you very much!

Immediately Measure Heart began to stuggle, breaking free of the bonds of fear that had held her captive until now. Writhing, the blonde tried to free herself, but the younger girl held her fast.

In her line of work, not once did she even think of calling for help.

Finally though, any stuggle she still had remaining was zapped out of her with another current of electricity.

"I know," the Railgun began once Measure Heart had somewhat recovered her senses. "In my head, I know you're not him. But right now, in my heart, you feel just like him. Like you are him. That's your power, right?"

Weakly, Measure Heart nodded.

"Don't change it. Keep your power active like this."

"Wha? Why should I?" the blond hissed.

"Because if you don't, I'll kill you," the Level 5 uttered softly, causing the Level 4 to tense. "After what you said, and what you say you did, if it was anything other than him, I'd kill them. But right now, you are the closest thing to Touma~," she moaned his name. "I've always wanted to be close to him, and now I can't anymore. But with you here, I can do things I never could when he was alive. If you take that away from me... I'll kill you like you were the one that killed Touma."

Measure Heart stood frozen, pinned both physically and mentally by indescion.

However, even that point of free-will was wrentched from her when the crazy girl's lips crashed agressively against the older girls, the Level 5's tongue invading the mouth of the inferior Esper.

In the end, there was nothing the girl in the dress could do as the Level 5 forced the Level 4 to kiss down the Electro Masters neck as she moaned Touma's name.

As the girl in the dress slowly succumed, she couldn't help but think: 'Fuck. I should have taken Kakine's teasing more seriously.'

[I_am_Kami]

That's a fanfic.

I heard it happened in SS2 for Railgun novels.

[Jobless Josh]

Originally Posted by I_am_Kami

So I heard Mikoto has mindrape powers. When did this happen?

Yeah I keep hearing people around saying that, I dunno wether it's fans buffing her abilities because off what Accel did regarding the electrical signals in LO's brain or wether it stemmed from her recent ability to fend off Misaki's Mental fuckery.
Or maybe it did really happened in the Railgun SS2 I wouldn't know cos I only just finished the main series