Smoking

[Ridwan]

one of them SMOKE wayyy too much. i'm not sure if he's addicted to it or just smoking
for fun. he smokes 1 to 2 packs a day! jesus....

.... I must had been a monster back then....

[Miraluka]

Try shock therapy.

Like visiting people who are on terminal state due to excessive smoking.

Taste.
Feel.
Witness their pain each second of their miserable existence.

[Ridwan]

My dad's late best friend died in a matter of two weeks after taking it up again after quitting for decades. Quite a scary tale ! It's still not enough to scare me into complete quit (in fact, it had a relatively opposite effect) Granted, I'm much, MUCH better these days. Back in the day you'd be dumbfounded as to why I still haven't died out of my past smoking frequency.

[Miraluka]

Thats because is a tale.

You need to involve yourself on that nightmare(for thos people who really cares for those smokers) first.

I don't smoke btw...

[Daniel E.]

Threads merge at this point.

Please note that many posts are from 2009 and should only be used as a reference.

New discussion starts here.

[LeoXiao]

damnit, the thread merger happened as I was writing and my post was eaten.

Anyway one of my uncles stopped smoking when he went to Canada for business and ragequit at the sight of the price for a pack.

[Kyouka]

overeating is a bigger issue in america than smoking but the people dont see it like that

[Ithekro]

One usually can't suffer from second hand eating.

[Ridwan]

Inversely, Indonesia is a country where cigarettes are candy cheap. A dollar a pack in average. You can even simply buy them in singulars in street vendors. Very conducive to create wide spread smoking culture where the lower income stratum predominates. That, and kretek. Thus we're the world's Smoking Capital.

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Thats because is a tale.

You need to involve yourself on that nightmare(for thos people who really cares for those smokers) first.

I don't smoke btw...

Check your non-smoker privilege

[ChainLegacy]

Originally Posted by Kyouka

overeating is a bigger issue in america than smoking but the people dont see it like that

It's more prevalent, but smoking is still more dangerous than overeating.

[Nightbat®]

Cancer is rising

number of smokers is dropping

that doesn't add up

[hero147]

Originally Posted by Nightbat®

Cancer is rising

number of smokers is dropping

that doesn't add up

People are also living much longer than they have in the past. Cancer is a drug of the old.

[Ithekro]

People can get cancer from things other than smoking.

[NoemiChan]

I hate seeing youngster smoke ( elementary and high school ages). They smoke out of ignorance and just to show off (as if it works).

Originally Posted by Ithekro

People can get cancer from things other than smoking.

Obviously you don't get skin, bone, and cervical cancer by smoking. Smoking happens to increase your chances to have cancer like lung and laryngeal cancer.

It can also cause brain damage (makes you dumb in the long process) due to stroke and hypertension as well as heart diseases ( infarctions etc).

It also affect pregnancy causing birth defects leading to abortion, preterm labor, retarded infants and missing organs and limbs at birth.

Summing it up, it has more risks and than benefits. If you're willing to sacrifice your life, your sexual performance in bed and wants to have a retarded, mutant descendants, then do it.

[Malkuth]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

People can get cancer from things other than smoking.

People develop cancer mainly for reasons other than smoking. Smoking itself is more dangerous for other health conditions related to respiratory and circulatory systems, that scare less the general populace but are much more prevalent.

As for second hand smoking, consider what you people are breathing, drinking and eating that is way more dangerous to your health, that equally unnecessary, like factory waste, private vehicle exhaust gases, and so on.

[Solace]

You don't "get" cancer from something. It's not a virus or bacterial infection. Cancer is a cell mutation triggered when the body takes damage and attempts to repair itself. The more frequently this occurs, the greater the chance one or more of your cells will "go bad" and replicate out of control. This creates clumps of cells known as tumors or "growths" that can damage the body and cause the immune system to go haywire, which invites further complications.

Cancer shares a lot of parallels with how the aging process works.

Also:

Originally Posted by Center for Disease Control

Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer deaths in both men and women. Smoking causes 80 to 90 percent of cases of lung cancer.

On topic, quitting smoking is hard. Resisting the urge to start up again, that is harder. You're never really "smoke free"....it just gets a little easier to say no after each passing day, and all it takes is one moment of weakness to throw all that work away. That's why my advice to people is to never start it in the first place.

I enjoyed the habit of smoking, but there's no sense spending precious money on killing yourself. Quit.

[Nightbat®]

Originally Posted by Solace

I enjoyed the habit of smoking, but there's no sense spending precious money on killing yourself. Quit.

...and miss my chance at early retirement? I think not

Not to mention the social health benefit a lot of people are getting over here (about 2.6 million of them)
paid for by taxes collected solely from tobacco

... for gods sake, think about those people!

[NoemiChan]

^ So I should thank them for my health benefits? Well, if one is under such benefits. Think of the others who doesn't share the benefits but got affected due to second hand smoke.

If possible, taxes from tabacco should go to patients who got conditions not due to smoking. Sick smokers related to smoking should never enjoy such benefits. It's to make learn a lesson and to discourage potential users knowing the government insurances with not cover such cases cause by smoking.

[Malkuth]

What many medical stats ignore is the percentage of smokers (active and passive), that don't get develop cancer. Also let's not forget that a statistical correlation is not implying causality. In other words, statistics should not replace medicine and definitely not justify vengeful policies against minorities.

To be clear, smoking is a harmful habit, as are drinking alcohol, cola, etc, as is most of our contemporary diet and so on. Maybe some of them are more harmful to some than others.

[Kimidori]

Originally Posted by Nightbat®

...and miss my chance at early retirement? I think not

Not to mention the social health benefit a lot of people are getting over here (about 2.6 million of them)
paid for by taxes collected solely from tobacco

... for gods sake, think about those people!

somehow this sound like broken windows fallacy.