Romance in Macross

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Urei

Seriously, I don't believe people like to destroy their own work. Especially something they worked hard to rise to this level.

it has happened so many times that is impossible to mention all the series!

Originally Posted by Wesley84

You know there's something wrong with a character when people are basing their outlook on him purely on who he picks.

People are just viewing him through Shipper colored glasses!

[Wesley84]

Originally Posted by golthin

People are just viewing him through Shipper colored glasses!

Which is fine. I just wish Alto had some merit to him otherwise.

[Urei]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

You know there's something wrong with a character when people are basing their outlook on him purely on who he picks.

I'll break the taboo and answer one time. It's not the matter of something being wrong with a character. It's the outlet for frustration caused by ruining the necessary and sought after development. It like being presented with a masterpiece only to have it destroyed a moment later. When we can't pinpoint the cause of this event we shift to the most obvious target, the masterpiece. Why did it let itself be destroyed?

The more value we see in something the worse our reaction is when we can't have it.

[musouka]

Don't bother, Urei. This is the same guy that got all butt-hurt back in twenty when it looked like Alto was going to choose Sheryl right then and there. He's the last person that should be lecturing on letting superficial aspects of characterization taint his views on the characters.

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by golthin

People are just viewing him through Shipper colored glasses!

Well, I, for one, am not. I would find it strange for Alto to pick Ranka over Sheryl because, as he's been portrayed so far, once he reaches enough resolve to make a decision, he doesn't back down easily - or at all. But I'm willing to concede to that, if the events lend themselves to it.

Just, to me, he seems to have his mind set on a path, and that includes being with Sheryl - and not Ranka. It's what's consistent with his behavioral pattern throughout the show, even with the recent revelations. It would irk me if he didn't choose Sheryl, but, like I said, it would depend on the explanation.

Originally Posted by musouka

Don't bother, Urei. This is the same guy that got all butt-hurt back in twenty when it looked like Alto was going to choose Sheryl right then and there.

He did? Well, I just gotta see that. Runs to the Episode 20 thread.

[Urei]

Originally Posted by musouka

Don't bother, Urei. This is the same guy that got all butt-hurt back in twenty when it looked like Alto was going to choose Sheryl right then and there. He's the last person that should be lecturing on letting superficial aspects of characterization taint his views on the characters.

My bad. My Alto post reading habits got better of me once again. Still, this would be such a shame to have all of this wasted in a second rate attepmt to make a twist. I'll call it third rate if it's made to look serious.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Well, I, for one, am not. I would find it strange for Alto to pick Ranka over Sheryl because, as he's been portrayed so far, once he reaches enough resolve to make a decision, he doesn't back down easily - or at all. But I'm willing to concede to that, if the events lend themselves to it.

Just, to me, he seems to have his mind set on a path, and that includes being with Sheryl - and not Ranka. It's what's consistent with his behavioral pattern throughout the show, even with the recent revelations. It would irk me if he didn't choose Sheryl, but, like I said, it would depend on the explanation.

Yeah, Alto is the type that once he decides something he goes through. It is like his decision to never talk to his father again. Even after he saw him sick, he stuck with it. He will stay with Sheryl and the only way he will leave her is if she set him free!

[Wesley84]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

He did? Well, I just gotta see that. Runs to the Episode 20 thread.

He's either lying or misunderstood. I have never supported the love triangle's existence, let alone invested myself in the outcome. As far I'm concerned, the sooner it's over the better. Which is why I was so happy when Ranka ended her part in it...

Originally Posted by golthin

Yeah, Alto is the type that once he decides something he goes through. It is like his decision to never talk to his father again. Even after he saw him sick, he stuck with it. He will stay with Sheryl and the only way he will leave her is if she set him free!

He made some lame excuse about being too busy. He also went back to his house in order to see Sheryl, even though he swore he'd never go there again.

I wanted to see Alto reconcile with his dad, or at least have another fight. But you know what? The love triangle took precedent over anything that would really have contributed to Alto's developement, and layered his character. Instead of meeting his dad, they created his latently homosexual adopted brother to act as a proxy, and more or less destroy Alto's character by repeatedly hammering on the idea that Alto is just some actor who acts and never stops acting for anything.

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

I have never supported the love triangle's existence, let alone invested myself in the outcome.

Then what are you doing watching a series where the importance of such a plot device you don't support is so clearly stated, even in the Opening animation - heck, even in the opening music ("Triangular")?

[Teletha]

Alto picking Ranka would be going backwards and that's why people would be upset with the character. It's also pretty much resolved, their relationship that is. She liked him but he was unable to understand her. He liked her, but was unable to actually do anything about it. We can view him by who he picks because everything he has done in the show thus far would be in vain if he ended up back where he started. If they had actually bothered to make the Alto x Ranka relationship grow these last half a dozen episodes then it would be a different story.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Then what are you doing watching a series where the importance of such a plot device you don't support is so clearly stated, even in the Opening animation - heck, even in the opening music ("Triangular")?

macross is all about music and love. the plot and the mechs is just frosting. Just think that M7 has not been licensed because of the music dispute, that is how important music is! Love has an equal importance to the music!

[Wesley84]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Then what are you doing watching a series where the importance of such a plot device you don't support is so clearly stated, even in the Opening animation - heck, even in the opening music ("Triangular")?

I hoped against hope that the love triangle wouldn't be so...all consuming. Even after seeing the opening, which I HATED, I was hoping they'd at least try to tell a real story...

[abynormal]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Then what are you doing watching a series where the importance of such a plot device you don't support is so clearly stated, even in the Opening animation - heck, even in the opening music ("Triangular")?

Better question: Why even bother with this thread if the romantic aspect of the series has absolutely no draw for you? Boredom, I suppose.

[Wesley84]

Originally Posted by abynormal

Better question: Why even bother with this thread if the romantic aspect of the series has absolutely no draw for you? Boredom, I suppose.

I smelt blood.

[BetoJR]

Well, golthin, without the plot, you get subpar series/movies. I'd rather have more of that.

And blood? Where? This is not a vampire show, man!!!

[abynormal]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

I smelt blood.

Sounds yummeh :q

[mapo]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

I wanted to see Alto reconcile with his dad, or at least have another fight. But you know what? The love triangle took precedent over anything that would really have contributed to Alto's development, and layered his character.

I agree with your point. If we consider that Alto is not dense but just a coward (running away from your dad, your home, torturing two girls in love with you though you know what they feel about you it's cowardliness) and if we don't want to see his character totally spoiled for the sake of the LT, we have to see him face his father. Or, at least, know what's his bloody problem with his daddy and the fact of being an actor !

[Wesley84]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Well, without the plot, you get subpar series/movies. I'd rather have more of that.

They could have made a story worth telling, besides the love triangle, but they were lazy. Point and case, Vajra. What a lame, undeveloped, enemy, that only served to get shot up. Not even threatening after the first four episodes.

And blood? Where? This is not a vampire show, man!!!

Blood in the sense of a shark.

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

They could have made a story worth telling, besides the love triangle, but they were lazy. Point and case, Vajra. What a lame, undeveloped, enemy, that only served to get shot up. Not even threatening after the first four episodes.

I thought they were threatening enough on episode 20, didn't you?

Blood in the sense of a shark.

I know what you meant and was only making a joke, man.

And, mapo, Alto's whole problem with his dad is more than likely the fact that he decided to become a pilot and dropped out of the "family business". Hence the disinheritance. What more do we need to know? And I'd like to see that resolved, as well. But if we don't, I could live with it, if the ending is worthwhile.

[mapo]

@BetoJR > Of course it's the pilot issue but I really think there is something else, the consequence of some buried problems and anger. I mean, he swore he'll never ever return to the mansion... just for that ? I don't think so. I want to know how they felt when Alto's mom died and how they react to that. I've the impression (but it's just an opinion) that Alto waited for another reaction from kabuki-daddy.