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Well, as I said in the previous page, the impression I had is that Ace didn't know that Roger was his dad because Garp withheld that information from him, and led him to believe that Dragon was his dad instead. Besides, it doesn't really make much sense for Ace to call a father who was dead long before he was born "useless"..... Quote:
Even if the two of them aren't related, that doesn't mean they still can't be brothers. Sometimes a spiritual bond can be stronger than any blood ties..... |
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2009-07-13, 22:27 | Link #23 |
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Sengoku Knew this about Ace, makes me wonder if Blackbeard didn't know this. With all that power in one place it will be a hell of a chance for luffy to save Ace from the Admiral power house. I suppose the Gorosei won't be putting in an appearance with Sengoku being there.
Man have I been waiting for Akainu to reappear, and man does he look great (in an Absolute Justice kind of way.)
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2009-07-13, 23:01 | Link #24 |
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Mini-story: Usopp having a party with his new friends. He's certainly lucky among the other members. Main Story: It's great we get to see a full-body picture of Admiral Akainu. But what REALLY shocks me is that Ace is actually the son of Gold Roger. I wonder how Luffy (along with Ivankov, Inazuma, and the others) would react in learning this truth? |
2009-07-13, 23:21 | Link #25 | |
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Additionally, wouldn't it be pretty cool if Buggy, Shanks and Rayleigh all fought together in the upcoming war? Even if this doesn't happen (which, honestly, the scenario seems very unlikely), Buggy being the only pirate with a direct connection to Roger attempting to save Ace will greatly add to his bounty. |
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2009-07-13, 23:39 | Link #26 |
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One thing thou. When the series, One Piece, started it went like 20 years ago a Pirate name Gold Roger, and so. When the series reach at Reyleight, he sai Roger died 22 years ago. So it would kind make sense that Ace could have now 21 to near 22 years of age. So, we could estimate that maybe a year or a year and half have already pass. And that maybe Rouge gave birth like in 10 to 12 months instead of 9 months. So, it kind of adds up the whole age.
Another thing. If I remember correctly, in some translations Reyleight says about 22 years ago. So it is not necessary that it's actually 22 years that has passed. IT could be round up to be near 22 years that has passed since Roger's death.
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2009-07-13, 23:46 | Link #27 | |
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Also, having opposition in one's way doesn't mean that there won't be freedom. The way I interpreted the moral of the message from Ace's flashback last chapter was that you "choose" the path in life that you wish to take and live through it with no regrets. It's ultimately all about living life how you "want" to (i.e. Ace living the life of a pirate), not turning your back on your ideals (i.e. Ace refusing to accept Blackbeard's offer to join his crew; otherwise, he would be a traitor and break the vow of eventually making Whitebeard the pirate king), and that there is no fate but what you make for yourself (i.e. Your actions are the pivotal factor in determining what awaits you in the future). It is with this "freedom of choice" in mind, that Ace feels one should not have any complaints/regrets for what fate lies ahead of them. Regarding Akainu's appearance, I love his design. I was a little surprised to see that he's the only admiral that's not wearing a tie underneath his suit. Given his personality and how seriously he takes his job, I initially thought that he would be the most formally dressed out of the admirals. Hopefully, we'll see a color spread of the admirals soon, so that we get to see Akainu's color scheme .
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2009-07-14, 01:56 | Link #31 |
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Depending on how much Rogers crew knew (the inner circle, that is) this development also holds the potential to add some new powerhouses to the war, doesnt it?
I could totally see Rayleigh trying to safe Ace in a "bet my life for the next generation" kind of way, which seems to fit into the view Rogers crew had on Nakamaship (also portrayed by Shanks and Roger-Luffy-similarities as well). There is no reason to assume that the rest of Rogers "inner" crew views this matter different. Also, they allready lost Roger to the WG, so the life of a few old men to save their beloved captains son from the "evil ones" would seem like a rather good deal to these kind of people, doesnt it? That would certainly even out the chances a bit for Whitebeards side... As a sitenote, nice little symbolism with the admirals clothes, white for the good one, black for the bad one and stripes for the one in between |
2009-07-14, 03:11 | Link #33 |
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We do not know yet, It cannot be ruled out.
In my view, Luffy's mother & Ace's mother are sisters, and thus the reason why Roger asked Garp and Garp gave Ace to be raised by his aunt, who is also known as Portgas. Thats just my theory. But wow, WB's really up against it. He is outnumbered nearly 100:1. The Admirals are on the execution platform, the Shichbuckai infront of it and infront of them, 100,000 Marines consisting of Vice-Admirals,Rear-Admirals, Captains and a huge number of soldiers. It doesn't look good for Ace. Also Sengoku is a real b****d for bringing up this bit of news when he has. I do wonder if Rayleigh & Shanks would appear. Shank's skirmish with Kaidou was well over 24 hours ago, so unless there is still a chance Kaidou could attack, Shanks could make an apperance along with Dragon & Rayleigh. That'd be amazing. |
2009-07-14, 03:26 | Link #34 | |
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for some reason i don't see it that roger as Ace's Father it doesn't make any sense.. i always expected Roger to be the other grandfather of Ace or luffy. meaning Rouge is roger daughter and the wife of dragon. also the time line doesn't fit you are talking about 2 or more years of birth after Roger died ... Ace age is 19 (if i remember correctly) and Roger died 22 years ago and add the year he was captured by the marines .. |
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He said that he left them with a guy that trained them... So we can assume that it was a guy who taught them how to fight.. Quote:
Because he was dead, that would make him useless... Ace also might not know all the details about Roger too... But all and all you got a good point... We'll just haft to wait and see his reaction to learning the info... What I want to know is how the hell did Sengoku know if the information was suppose to be secret.. Quote:
I think Shanks and Rayleigh knew... Buggy left the ship after he ate the Devil Fruit I believe (as I recall in the anime)... I think that's why Shanks went to Whitebeard about Ace... I'm really hoping Shanks and Rayleigh show up now When I first thought about it... I thought no way because of the Power imbalance... But Marineford has highly skilled fighters so I think even if Whitebeard, Shanks, Rayleigh do pop up... The battle can still go either way I doubt it... For one if that was Garp's daughter I would expect her name to be Monkey D. Rouge and Portgas. Plus the age, I would all of the people from that era to be around the same age... She probably had the Pregnant Pregnant Fruit (lol) |
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2009-07-14, 08:39 | Link #38 |
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or... they could be related via a relative on dragons side aka sister to dragon or such, it wouldn't make them brothers but they could still be blood related like cousins or such.
Though with this reveal i'm leaning towards not blood related at all, and just having sibling bonds instead. Another surprising chapter though. Also anyone know which actor akainu is based on from his 1 panel shot?
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I'd also point out what Luffy said about the person with the most freedom on the Grand Line is the Pirate King. Quote:
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2009-07-14, 12:26 | Link #40 |
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Man WB better show up next week it going to be crazy. 100 00 marines plus Shichibukai . Of course over 90% of marines going to be useless but still WB VS Marines and Shichibukai. Then dragon groups could pop up , then theres luffy group that going and who knows who else might show up. Then Shichibukai might change sides. Can't wait for war to start . But it just goes to show how much the WG fear the old man .
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