2010-08-23, 09:08 | Link #8701 | |
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Also, as my edit to my post said, what does that have to do with anything here? This seemed to be a straight forward operation.
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2010-08-23, 09:26 | Link #8702 | |
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My point, again, is that there are certain civil society groups here in the Philippines that have a tendency to focus SOLELY on the criminal's rights while outright ignoring the rights of victims. Whether or not the operation is made in proper judgment or not is besides the point because these groups have, in the past, have rampaged on the media and in whatever other outlets accusing the police of excessive force, murder and whatnot without inspecting the facts and again without taking into consideration the greater good of the parties involved. That is not to say that we should ignore the rights of suspects (I'll use that rather than criminals for the sake of doubt) because a fair society must always treat everyone fairly under the court of law, but these antics have a tendency to sway not only public opinion but judiciary opinion (the Philippines does not use a judgment by peers but on a single judge) on the matter at hand which GREATLY affects the objectivity of the legal process. The rights that are (indirectly) infringed for the victims is impartiality in due process because all these noise creates bias for a system that's already more prone to bias than a trial by jury (again we only have a single judge rendering verdict). While the criminal no longer affects the outcome much, it's the noise civil society who are too caught in tunnel vision that has the capacity to sway the legal process away for impartiality and objectivity into, as you put it, appeals to emotion. Objectively speaking the same could be applied to any sort of public noise aimed at legal proceedings, whether it be pro-accuser or pro-accused. In the end, my point in all of this is that the narrow minded views that get too much publicity have a capacity for a very large impact in high profile legal proceedings, and given the very questionable track record of the Philippines National Police regarding human rights and due process, this will affect this case even more. I expect this case to be the headline tomorrow in the Philippine Daily Inquirer, and considering that people in this country stage rallies at the drop of a hat, I also expect a lot of hullabaloo from parties from every sector as well as opportunistic politicians that will further muddle an issue that isn't already clear from the getgo. This is going to be a field day for the media rags and a headache for P-Noy no doubt.
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2010-08-23, 10:06 | Link #8703 | |
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The Filipino driver escaped moments before police surrounded the bus after hearing gunshots. The 15 remaining on board were all tourists from Hong Kong. Six are confirmed dead. There are seven survivors. Status of remaining two not yet confirmed. Mendoza was reportedly among five officers charged in 2008 with robbery, extortion and grave threats, after a Manila hotel chef filed a complaint alleging that Mendoza falsely accused him of using drugs to extort money. Mendoza was fired from the police force last year. |
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2010-08-23, 10:18 | Link #8704 |
MJ - Forever King of Pop
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I am a local citizen in Hong Kong. I saw the live reporting on TV, and my emotion turned from sadness to extreme anger. What the FXXK were these police doing!?!? That was the WORST rescue scene I could imagine! Don't tell me they are SWATs or some kind of SDU. Using a rope to pull the main door!? Wasting half an hour using some stupid hammers hitting the windows with no progress, and finally, what? They "forgot" they could just use the escape door!? Even the boy scouts could do better!
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2010-08-23, 10:57 | Link #8705 |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
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The PNP isn't exactly the most competent police force on the planet. Reminds me of that time a few years back when they botched a hostage rescue attempt on the LRT line on some crazy dude taking a baby hostage with a knife. When the man started making cuts on the baby's throat they all opened fire, killing the guy and the baby on the spot.
The entire police force that handled the scene were fired. Of course it's not to say that they didn't try. Buses in this country are like metal coffins with wheels. You'd be lucky if you could get half the opening open from any side. Trying to sneakily open any of the windows or exits would likely have made a creaking sound that would have alerted the guy.
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2010-08-23, 11:29 | Link #8706 | |
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2010-08-23, 13:41 | Link #8708 |
MJ - Forever King of Pop
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9 people dead now...
The more I look at the whole incident, the more I think that there might be some kind of conspiracy behind the story. I don't think the Philippines police want to give the gunman any chance to surrender and walk out alive...
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2010-08-23, 14:54 | Link #8710 |
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The police failed .......... miserably there was no plan of action, in both strategic and tactical perspective , the authorities failed to control and contain the situation ... and 9 people died and couple more injured because of the police's lack of training and professionalism
by the way i checked the youtube comments it's getting nasty and it disgust me that its turning being hi jacked into derogatory racial insults |
2010-08-23, 15:53 | Link #8712 | |
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Normally when I think of storming I think of people moving at a fast pace.
Jesus Christ. This is going to go into the books as how not to handle this kind of fucking situation. Quote:
Though I'll be clear that I don't take this as some kind of moral failure on the part of the cops. Anybody would be afraid of rushing into a cramped space where there was a prepared gunman with a high capacity weapon. The distinction that I'm seeing is that these guys probably didn't receive the proper training/discipline and leadership which is needed to effectively carry out these kind of missions. Quite frankly speaking, regular people just plain suck at fighting. To put it frankly, you need to mentally reprogram people in order for them to cope with fear and effectively fight. There's a reason why military drill instructions act in such a seemingly erratic and psychotic manner. Last edited by Roger Rambo; 2010-08-23 at 16:09. |
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2010-08-23, 16:03 | Link #8713 |
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I know man it's almost comical, all it needs is Benny Hill music. At 1.48 of the first vid, the cops try throwing something into the bus through a hole in the window, misses and falls on to the ground. They try 2 more times to get the glowstick (wtf) into the broken window. Then at 2.06 a cop tries swinging a sledgehammer at the door and he ends up losing the hammer. Not discounting the entire snail's pace of the operation.........
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2010-08-23, 17:31 | Link #8714 |
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WTH? Why the fuck so many cops go near a bus where the hijacker can see all around him. They were asking for the hostages to be shoot! Besides took them ages to get into the bus. They might as well as filled the bus with holes and killed all hostages.
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2010-08-23, 18:12 | Link #8715 |
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I was suppose to go to the hospital today, but thankfully something came up and I didn't get stuck in this massive highway shutdown this morning. Awesome crash, uh I mean poor guy...
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2010-08-23, 18:17 | Link #8716 |
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IIRC, the hijacker aka Senior Inspector Rolando Mendoza did it 'cause he thinks someone's framing him for the allegations of extortion.
And yeah, I believe they should've sent in the Special Action Force instead of the PNP SWAT team.
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Seriously, it's really embarrassing that our police acted upon this. Really embarrassing. And yes, this hostage crisis is beginning to affect the country's tourism. |
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Death toll from hostage crisis rises to 10, including hostage-taker
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2010-08-24, 00:59 | Link #8720 | |
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Not sure what the reason for speeding was (hopefully not simple stupidity), but yeah. 100+ miles an hour, hitting the center post and then crashing into a bridge as your car explodes into shrapnel....it's amazing that not only did he live but he didn't take anyone else out with him.
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