2010-11-06, 00:47 | Link #241 | |
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Minato is sealed in the Death God's stomach. Well half of him. If Edo Tensei could summon from the Death God then Kabuto would have the Hokages all there. And Madara doesn't strike me as being scared of Minato. He was scared by what was in that coffin.
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So he couldn't progress. His databooks stats when he died add up to 21. That would put him around Tenten's level. The other Konoha kids have passed him. Now as a zombie with no kind streak, he gets upgraded. But compare him to someone like Asuma who totals 32.5 or Chiyo at 32. Even Zabuza at 30.5, Dan at 31.5, or Hizashi at 29.5. He clearly doesn't measure up to the other zombies there. Only maybe that Yu girl might be weaker. |
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2010-11-06, 01:21 | Link #242 | ||
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That being said, I also doubt it was Minato in the box... Quote:
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2010-11-06, 11:46 | Link #244 | ||
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I am in the camp that believes he saw his real identity/body. Quote:
Go into a forum of Neji fans and some there will tell you he is capable of beating Sasuke, Naruto, Itachi, etc, and is strong as a Kage. Since a lot of what we see in the manga is based on opinion, not much will change their minds. But his databook stats clearly show Kishimoto put well him behind Sasuke and any of the elite fighters. Doesn't mean he couldn't beat Sasuke. I suppose Ino or Tenten could also in theory. Just that he would be a huge underdog. Another example. I've already heard some fans say Asuma was a lame jonin and didn't deserve to be raised. Honestly, you might agree with that based on the fact we didn't see much of him fight like Gai or Kakashi. But when you look at his databook stats, you realize how extremely powerful Asuma was. He is actually one of the strongest zombies outside of the Kages and Hanzo. They are just a tool. But combined with what we see in the manga, a very useful one. |
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2010-11-06, 13:39 | Link #246 | |
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2010-11-06, 14:00 | Link #247 |
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an example from databooks .. Kiba, Gai and Itachi all have 5 in speed .. now, both Gai and Itachi would kill Kiba before he can blink .. this simply means that for Kiba speed (along with str) is his greatest advantage .. HIS speed is a 5, but that 5 is far from Gai's or Itachi's 5 .. although, tbh here I fail to see how Kiba has 5 speed and Lee doesn't
or Orochi & Itachi both have 5 in genjutsu - Itachi's is obviously better, he even cast one on Oro when the latter attempted to possess Itachi's body .. I mean Sharingan = best genjutsu .. but Orochi probably has the best non-Sharingan genjutsu, hence the 5
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2010-11-06, 21:37 | Link #248 | ||
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This stat didn't carry over to the third databook. Quote:
I understand that two characters can have a 5 in the same category and be different. Shikamaru had a 5 in intelligence since the first databook. His 5 is obviously higher than even Itachi or Kakashi's 5 and should be judged differently. On a 1-10 scale, he'd be a 10 in intelligence. While Itachi and Kakashi might be a 9. This is why I wish Kishimoto would have gone 1-10 with the stats to make things clearer. That's why I said the databook isn't perfect. Just a tool. |
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2010-11-07, 05:04 | Link #249 | |
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ah, you're right, Kiba has 4.5, my bad
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with some more experience he'll probably genuinely become the only person worthy of a 10
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2010-11-07, 06:26 | Link #250 |
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It's useless to have a 1-5 or 1-10 scale, in shonen manga it should be something similar to the windows performance index. Which means there is no upper bound, and also the overall performance index is equal to the weakest component's performance. In this case if Naruto is very weak in genjutsu his overall performance index would be very weak simply because his enemies would keep using genjutsu to beat him. But shonen manga plots are not based on logic
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2010-11-07, 19:49 | Link #252 | |
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2010-11-08, 00:07 | Link #254 |
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'Twould be cool if Kabuto can summon characters that died but were brought back. We could see Gaara vs. Gaara, and Kakashi vs. Kakashi fight ... Or, better yet, those characters that have been resurrected (Gaara, Shizune, Kakashi), can be un-resurrected (my own new word ) by those that brought them back; so Chiyo can un-resurrect Gaara, and Nagato can un-resurrect most of Konoha .
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2010-11-08, 00:14 | Link #255 | ||
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They look nothing alike and do not have the same uniform.
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2010-11-08, 01:06 | Link #257 |
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Heh. Seems like we have a chicken or the egg dilemma on our hands... And I will thus firmly stand on the side of the egg : for a Rinnegan to occur and jutsu to be discovered there must have been chakra first. And before them both, Kishomoto came first, ah!
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2010-11-08, 05:34 | Link #260 | |
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Oh yes, thank you. Upon closer inspection you'll see that Motoi's dad wears glasses, has his spiky hair bunched up and wears a distinctly different, but nonetheless equally dull, uniform. Master of original design, that Kishi.
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Wrong again. It was the Rikudo Six-Path Sage who did it by magically creating stuff because he felt like it and then divided the powers of deus ex machina and plot device into two different clans so they could have vaguely-defined hax powers because honestly who gives a fuck. |
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