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Hopefully, Lieselotte will have more than a few seconds of screen time this season.
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2013-10-26, 13:17 | Link #166 | |
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In the four protags, she & L-Elf are alike. While Haruto & Shoko are their polar opposites. So if anyone can relate to L-Elf's suffering & darkness, it'd be Saki. I sense the development of a friendship here, it'd also be perfect for them because they have no other form of relationship in the series. But the one who will make L-Elf become "human" again is most likely Shoko with Haruto as the trigger. Haruto experiences his memories & learns about his suffering, this puts a crack in his icy armor & Shoko shatters it with her never-negative personality. Lise could also be a factor in the trigger, it depends on how she's used though. If she dies, then he'll be at an emotional low, which would make it easy for someone to break his shell & comfort him or she could be the trigger that helps him realize he's not some heartless killer. A meeting/small conversation could ensure this, then she's recaptured before he can confirm how he feels. It'd make his motivation for the revolution even stronger.
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From what we can see Haruto, who's spent the most time with him, hasn't been able to break that ice-cold exterior yet. Shoko hasn't placed a dent on him either during those 2 months they worked together. If anyone's going to humanize him, it will probably be Lieselotte (whether by meeting her or dying) or Haruto. Considering how Okuchi said that Haruto is the "most far-removed and infuriating human being L-elf has encountered", I'm going to bet on Haruto defrosting the ice-king. The only reason why I think he's loosing his cool and acting irrationally right now is because he's back and his Karlstein memories are coming back...and the fact that Haruto couldn't follow the plan. |
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Yes, Haruto is likely to put a massive dent in his icy exterior, but I expect Lise/Shoko to be the one to melt him completely. Though Haruto finishing the job is also a likely possibility. Lise dying warrants the most character development opportunities. Her death would allow us to see what he's like when he truly sad & would also make for the shattering of his ice to be a lot easier &/or emotional. A meeting/conversation would warrant some emotional development, but the denting of his ice may be small compared to a death induced trauma. Also from the magazine source that said that we'll see L-Elf in a new light/never before seen side of him, makes me think that he'll most likely get the most character development this season. They're already beginning to flesh out his character with minor moments here & there. (showing a minor concern for Shoko's health, becoming Haruto's Rune supply & now remembering his Karlstein days. There is also that little bit in the ED where he shoots a crystal Cain, so I'm keeping my eyes on him this season.)
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2013-10-26, 16:57 | Link #169 |
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^ Don't just kill off Liselotte.
Maybe we're thinking to much about this. The source just says "we'll see him in a new light". Before, we got that he was a cold and logical person, and it was easy for group of viewers to not like him (though I'm not one of them), but we didn't know why. This season we're starting to know what kind of life he had to live, and we'll learn more about his motivations. The audience will come to have better understanding why he is the way he is. Seeing him in a new light could very much mean learning his backstory and motivations. This season looks to be providing such.
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2013-10-26, 17:24 | Link #170 | |
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I take the "see him in a new light" statement as literal. We'll see him transform from the cold & calculating killer into a tsundere badass who cares about his new comrades, but doesn't show it...lol
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We've seen Lelouch change from: loathing student - master manipulator - tyrant - sympathetic suicidal hero. & Suzaku change from: selfish kid - soldier filled with regret - idealist - selflessly suicidal (as a way of atonement) - tyrant's assistant - hero in the shadows. Going from this, I do believe that L-Elf's character will undergo major changes. That's how I see it, I may be completely wrong though.
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Lise dying would be the best way to get sadness and a break down out of L-Elf. We've seen him desperate, angry, cold, and arrogant before.
Though he has at least developed well already. Such as how he seemed to be much kinder towards Shoko now and treats her as more than just a pawn while before the S1->S2 transition he considered her a baffling girl that annoyed him at times even if she was useful. |
2013-10-26, 19:25 | Link #174 |
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I hope L-elf changes for the good.
Anyways, I want to see more flashbacks. It'd be nice to see what L-elf and his old comrades had to go through in order to survive. Also, with the OP and this episode it at least confirms that he still has lingering attachment to his old teammates. Spoiler:
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2013-10-26, 19:29 | Link #175 |
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To me, it makes more sense for him to be attached to his team mates than Lieselotte
I'm starting to understand how A-Drei feels. L-Elf is a fellow childhood survivor of grueling life and death tests. And he's throwing all that away for his own plans
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^Agreed, now A-Drei screaming his name all of last season, doesn't seem so stupid anymore. When you survive that long with a group of people, its hard to just leave them behind.
However, that's exactly what L-Elf did, he threw it all away to further his own goals. He's chosen the lonely path & that's a road he'll thread for a long time before he's brought back to the "licht".(SeeWatIDidThere?...XD)
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Of course, I'm assuming that's the case since that's what A-drei planned to do in order to restore the royal family, which L-elf was aware of. I feel bad for A-drei because he confided in him, yet L-elf chose to do what he wanted since it was easier for his own plans. But we did know for a while that L-elf is willing to do pretty much anything in order to reach his goals. |
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I'd say that L-elf has been through more than either Lelouch or Suzaku and it's going to take a lot more for his character to change much. In fact, I doubt L-elf will every be normal or easygoing, he'll never become anything like Haruto and his friends. The most that can really be hoped for is for him to become a little more lenient and begin to trust others a little more. Other than that, I think he might just have lived through to much to ever show that type of weakness to anyone, maybe even Lieselotte. I mean, we see him involuntarily crying over her picture, but he was alone then. I doubt he would show that kind of emotion when actually in her presence. He's been taught for so long to hide his emotions that it's second nature.
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