Madoka Magica - Episode 10 Discussion / Poll

[jeroz]

Originally Posted by FlavorOfLife

"hi, i'm Jyubei. Care to make a contract with me?"

offtopic:

Spoiler:

you called?



Back on topic. In some way granting Homura powers works into Kyubey's scheme.
After all, Madoka died in the first play through without turning into a witch, wasting soo much of the potential resources he could've mined.

[Cosmic Eagle]

9 touched me more but this was good nonetheless.

So Homura = weapons specialist

Nice homemade bomb there......

And surprisingly, modern weaponry works wonders against standard Witches.....if you can last long enough to make contact of course.

[Seihai]

I can't back myself up but I believe Homura's arsenal becomes magical once it is implemented into her shield. If they were normal, she would have a quite limited amount and ammo.Well, or maybe her time shield resets the weapon's state of when it was first put into it so it is actually normal but can be re-used over again since its existance will be reset and repeated. Anyway, I'm pretty confident it uses up magic fuel anyway each time she uses her weaponry.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Vanish

I can't back myself up but I believe Homura's arsenal becomes magical once it is implemented into her shield. If they were normal, she would have a quite limited amount and ammo.Well, or maybe her time shield resets the weapon's state of when it was first put into it so it is actually normal but can be re-used over again since its existance will be reset and repeated. Anyway, I'm pretty confident it uses up magic fuel anyway each time she uses her weaponry.

I dunno, she appears to raid armouries pretty often....

Anyway.......HMG gunners FTW *is HMG gunner*

[guuchan]

Erm, I already watched the episode earlier this week than usual and there are already 24 pages? Okay...

It's late here right now so I just skimmed through the walls of posts (at least there aren't many tl;dr posts for this episode, thank god) and I will go over them again tomorrow. For now, I will say this episode is full of tsukomi's:

1. Okay Mami, I would love to see you around again but in this way? Poor, poor you.
2. Last episode Urobuchi tried so hard to make Homura look cool and this episode she's a timid twin tail? Homura, even though the cool image fits you better, I feel sorry for you that how you turned out that way. Again, poor, poor you.
3. But, Homura, even though it was a witch, you actually threw grenades under her skirt? You are a bad girl, you know that.
4. So it turns out that there is no love between Homura and Madoka? Urobuchi, you sure? Homura is doing all these just because Madoka is Homura's "only friend"? Don't grin now, Urobuchi, you know that's not true.

A couple of people here mentioned that OP was actually Homura and ED was Madoka. I have to agree as of right now, but we still got the biggest question remained from the very beginning of this show: what will Madoka's wish be? As I mentioned in the music thread, we know that her wish won't be the same as that of previous timelines anymore, or else the story will just end as a non-story. I have a feeling that her wish at the end of this show might turn the OP/ED's POV around again.

P.S. RIP to those who passed away in Japan due to its earthquake earlier today.

[FlareKnight]

Well knew a Homura episode had to come sooner or later. Should have predicted her magic would just send her back and overlap with herself in the past. Pretty handy reset button. At least started to show the development of Homura through those time jumps. Though one thing that never changed was her sole focus on Madoka. Never really saw much of a care or connection with any of the other girls.

At least one episode will have Madoka as a magical girl . Though they showed pretty little of her abilities besides using that mythical bow.

Helped with understanding though don't care that much more about Madoka and Homura than I did before the episode. Was good anti-Kyuube material since he clearly doesn't care if Madoka destroys the world. They got their quota and won't be volunteering anymore magical girls to help with the issue. But yeah he's totally still misunderstood .

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

9 touched me more but this was good nonetheless.

So Homura = weapons specialist

Nice homemade bomb there......

And surprisingly, modern weaponry works wonders against standard Witches.....if you can last long enough to make contact of course.

Makes you wonder if you need magical girls at all to handle witches if modern weaponry works fine. Think the Madoka doomsday wouldn't even be impossible to stop if she's out in the open. Drop a few nukes and see what happens.

[Wakan Tanka]

Maybe Madoka's wish is to stop the loop...

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

9 touched me more but this was good nonetheless.

So Homura = weapons specialist

Nice homemade bomb there......

And surprisingly, modern weaponry works wonders against standard Witches.....if you can last long enough to make contact of course.

The bullets from her guns and the explosives were still magical. Notice the purple bullets that Kyubey avoided at the end.

[pinoscotto]

if all the witches die, then all the puellas will turn into witches themselves
if they kill themselves before turning into witches, then qb can make a contract with new girls that will became witches
the only possible happy ending is the one where the system ends. the problem is that killing qb is not possible, and, even if it is, it's useless, because the aliens can use something else.
at this point:
can madoka kill all the aliens?
is it possible that the aliens don't exist?
i think that those are the only ways to make this show end well

[Seihai]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Helped with understanding though don't care that much more about Madoka and Homura than I did before the episode.

Cold as stone, eh?

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

The bullets from her guns and the explosives were still magical. Notice the purple bullets that Kyubey avoided at the end.

This.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Vanish

This.

She took ammo from the Yakuza building too, so she use non-magical ammunition.

That aside, she does have a magical purple beam though, as seen in the last scene, but that's her own magic.

[Klashikari]

It is perhaps a mix of both: she obviously has "magical girl weaponry", but she is more adept of conventional weapon.
I believe she needed ammo in order to have a blue print.

I mean, remember when she used a flashbang against Kyoko? that's definitely not what you can call a flashbang, it was a regular looking grenade.

In term of practical utility, I believe she only need to stash the weapons and ammo once in her shield, so she can draw them when she need it, and reset their status later. Which implies that they are modded/magic imbued as well.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

In term of practical utility, I believe she only need to stash the weapons and ammo once in her shield, so she can draw them when she need it, and reset their status later. Which implies that they are modded/magic imbued as well.

But all this is speculation right now. All we really know is that she uses conventional weapons with non-magical ammo and also has a magical purple beam.

I'm going with that until we know more.

EDIT: then again, they probably won't explain anything ><

[Crontica]

Homura may be suffering from Regeneration which would explain how she is able to pin down WN but not how it started.

WN at Timeline 1 was born from a fallen Homura, when she died she turned into WN, Madoka dies in defeating it MG!Homura also dies in the process then she turns into WN then her wish is activates she reverts back to square one but WN!Homura remains. Witches can create familiars which would create a WN that would go undetected until it's too late.

Now what would cause Homura to run into WN!Homura, Timeline 0? It would mean when MG!Homura-0 first died she left behind this monster that would simply restart each time it was killed / would Regenerate each time MG!Homura died / Would reboot each time the timeline was reset.

It would explain why on the 4th try when Madoka one shotted WN she still died because the WN had gotten stronger

If MG!Homura's soul gem scattered before corruption she dies no WN, If it scatters from the corruption, she dies turns into WN, since her soul is dead she has no recollection of turning into one then the timeline resets.

[Witch of Uncertainty]

^Madoka didn't die in the previous timeline. She survived, but Kyubey guaranteed her fate, so there was no point for Homura to stay there.

The problem for Humora this time around is that Kyubei is aware of her powers, which he wasn't in the previous timelines. I wonder what he will do about it.

[Stefkov]

I thought that episode was incredible if only because it finally laid bare everything that's happened.
I laughed when Homura was breaking into mob hangouts and into weapons stores, something about that set me off.

Now I can't wait for next week. I wonder if this will be the final loop or if at the end it'll just happen again.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Vanish

Cold as stone, eh?

Nah, just no point getting that attached after all the other characters I've cared about have gotten killed. Plus haven't liked those two that much from the start so really nothing changed there. At least in this situation they can do pretty much nothing and I will be ok .

[Crontica]

Originally Posted by Witch of Uncertainty

^Madoka didn't die in the previous timeline. She survived, but Kyubey guaranteed her fate, so there was no point for Homura to stay there.

The problem for Humora this time around is that Kyubei is aware of her powers, which he wasn't in the previous timelines. I wonder what he will do about it.

Whether she dies and doesn't turn into Broken Bow or lives and does, Homura's final action is always the same.

As for Kyubei, the mystery of the wish system is still a mess, can wishes be canceled out? Is Madoka's wish indirectly giving Homura strength?

Kyubei may try pitting Hitomi against Homura in order to force her out of the chessboard, if that's the case she better reset fast.

[Tunafishisgood]

Originally Posted by Crontica

Homura may be suffering from Regeneration which would explain how she is able to pin down WN but not how it started.

...

Or WN existed before Homura met Madoka. Homura can't do anything about WN being born.

I think I remember Mami mentioning Madoka will be pro before WN hits sometime in timeline 1, indicating that WN is not fallen Homura.

[Crontica]

Originally Posted by Tunafishisgood

Or WN existed before Homura met Madoka. Homura can't do anything about WN being born.

I think I remember Mami mentioning Madoka will be pro before WN hits sometime in timeline 1, indicating that WN is not fallen Homura.

Then why doesn't she go back in time and prevent WN? Or is WN really what it says on the tincan which is actually a manifestation of multiple witches?

I really don't know what is stopping her from kidnapping Madoka into the endless streams of time avoiding Kyubei forever.