Fansubban VS CrunchRoll Subz

[Craymel]

so it dropped from 0.2 to 0.1 Yeah they're dying alright. That one graph says it all. We need to see longer more proportionate data sets to really make the "they're dead" conclusion. Of course traffic will slow because of their drop in content.

[mieruno]

tl note: CR will never die and it will just keep on growing

so don't bother guys, CR will overtake fansubbing one day and we're all just waiting for that one day to come

[danin8r44]

CR will only overtake fansubbing when they can actually produce material that is truly superior to what the fansubbers produce. At the point where CR is definitively better than fansubbing I'll just jump aboard the CR train without any complaints.

[TheFluff]

Originally Posted by Craymel

so it dropped from 0.2 to 0.1

In other words, traffic is halved. It should also be noted that if you look further back, interest in CR has been steadily increasing since January last year, peaking around november/december (left part of the image I posted). Since then (i.e. since they started offering legal content in January 2009), traffic has declined sharply and is now down to the levels it was on in January 2008.

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

Who knows whether they are making money, though.

Probably not very much; most likely they're still running on venture capital. Interestingly a lot of their money comes from Gonzo's parent company GDH, which is in severe financial troubles as well. GDH was in danger of getting delisted last summer, and have survived only by massive layoffs, issuing $18 million USD in new shares to another venture firm and selling off everything that isn't nailed down.

In February, ANN wrote:

Originally Posted by ANN

GDH's core business has shifted from anime, as Gonzo went into red ink, to its online gaming operations. Last year's voluntary retirement program applied to GDH and Gonzo employees, but not to Gonzo Rosso, GDH's online game subsidiary.

Today, it was announced that GDH is selling off Gonzo Rosso. The fact that they're selling off a part of their business that seems to be actually profitable is a pretty good indicator that they're in rather deep shit.

Gonzo is also one of the studios that seem the most interested in spreading stuff via Crunchyroll. Since they are a company in crisis, the picture I'm getting here is that more "stable" companies see CR as a risky investment at best, while Gonzo in their desperation to find new income sources has nothing to lose.

[Nicholi]

Impossible for CR to die, they can always just go to their previous model when they need to.

Selling fansubs...lol!

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by Nicholi

Impossible for CR to die, they can always just go to their previous model when they need to.

Selling fansubs...lol!

Not really. Remember they incorporated in Japan and have an official Japanese corporation now. If they started streaming illegally, it would be very trivial for the Japanese version of the MPAA to sue them directly in Japanese courts for everything they are worth.

[TheFluff]

update: GDH to be delisted from the tokyo stock exchange
(not an april fool's joke, april 1st is the start of japan's fiscal year and it was announced 9 months ago that they'd be delisted at the start of the new fiscal year if they didn't improve their finances)

[ThatOneMan]

Why do so many people want CR to die? Especially now when it actually provides a good service. Oh well, whatever floats your boat...

Anyways if anyone has seen the new Hayate episode on Crunchyroll you will notice they started doing styled subs and it looks half decent.

[TheFluff]

Originally Posted by ThatOneMan

Especially now when it actually provides a good service.

Originally Posted by ThatOneMan

good service

yeah, about that...

[neothe0ne]

Originally Posted by TheFluff

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatOneMan
Especially now when it actually provides a good service.

yeah, about that...

24.000fps Hayate no Gotoku 2nd season.

Good service where?

[radioIzzy]

What happened to Crunchyroll :'(

[idiffer]

Originally Posted by neothe0ne

24.000fps Hayate no Gotoku 2nd season.

Good service where?

this will probably seem like a stupid question to most of you (i dont know shit about encoding...), but whats wrong with 24 frames?
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and Skip beat could be better of course, but crunchyroll 180mb was better than horriblesubs 280mb files, imho. but i still think that fansubs are better though, in general.

[TheFluff]

Originally Posted by idiffer

this will probably seem like a stupid question to most of you (i dont know shit about encoding...), but whats wrong with 24 frames?

Nothing, unlike the first season this one is actually 24fps and not 30. While they did manage to get the framerate right this time (unlike some other cases I could mention) they still managed to screw up the decimation so all movement and all pans are jerky as heck. I have no idea how they did it, it's seriously kind of hard to do as most decimation filters will do their best to not screw up like that.

[npcomplete]

Originally Posted by TheFluff

Nothing, unlike the first season this one is actually 24fps and not 30. While they did manage to get the framerate right this time (unlike some other cases I could mention) they still managed to screw up the decimation so all movement and all pans are jerky as heck. I have no idea how they did it, it's seriously kind of hard to do as most decimation filters will do their best to not screw up like that.

.. I'm guessing "they" would be TV-Tokyo...
I wonder who does it for Viz and Funi or if they are trusted enough to be handed the source to do it themselves

[TheFluff]

Originally Posted by npcomplete

.. I'm guessing "they" would be TV-Tokyo...

the tv tokyo broadcast is fine

[npcomplete]

Originally Posted by TheFluff

the tv tokyo broadcast is fine

I don't mean the broadcast transport stream. I mean that TV-Tokyo doing the encoding then handing that to CR.

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by npcomplete

I don't mean the broadcast transport stream. I mean that TV-Tokyo doing the encoding then handing that to CR.

Exactly. CR would kill to just get the transport streams, but that's not in the cards for security purposes. In any case things have definitely improved since the initial offerings, and we don't have crazy ghosting and interlacing artifacts anymore at least.

Proper decimation is just the next thing for CR to teach TV Tokyo how to do...

[TheFluff]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

that's not in the cards for security purposes.

|дﾟ)
w-hat

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by TheFluff

|дﾟ)
w-hat

Sending out masters or transport streams prior to the airing of the actual show is like, anathema to a broadcaster like TV Tokyo.

They just barely find it in themselves to send HD(ish) encodes overseas. Heck it's only been a few months, over time these corporate irrational fears will subside.

[Mentar]

*blinks*

Wow. I didn't know that. So the encodes come from TV Tokyo directly, and aren't prepared by Crunchyroll staff?!? Let me bite back a comment about the work of so-called "professionals". Gawd.

*exonerates Crunchyroll*