2009-06-22, 18:07 | Link #161 |
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^Hm, I am not sure if Whitebeard's fall would be a blow to piracy. Specifically, he has been keeping many proplr in check, stopping them from advancing, or otherwise becoming more ruthless than they need to be (evidience of this is found in Whitebeard's desire to "protect"/own several islands). So, if Whitebeard fell, it is entirely possible that there might be a second pirate revolution, only with the pirates acting more like DoFlamingo (merciless and only in it for money and power) rather than acting like Roger (adventurous, strong willed, and willing to fight for nakama).
To put it another way, it could be said that Whitebeard is holding back the "bad" pirates (those "silver medalist" found on Level 6), and with his downfall, chaos will reign (for a time) across the Grand Line. Suffice to say, no matter what happens, I do not see the Marines coming out of this smelling fresh. With the destruction of Enies Lobby, the current destruction of Impel Down, and the possible destruction of Marineford, the marines power as a fighting force is being gambled all on this encounter with Whitebeard. I wouldn't be surprised if the world post-Whitebeard is controlled via Pacifistas and other similar guards, rather than the marines and Shichibukai. |
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Hearing of Whitebeard's defeat would probably keep a lot of rogue pirates in check. ....Or..it could cause a massive pirate riot, and control could spiral away. Meh, could go either way.
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2009-06-23, 11:05 | Link #163 | |
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And I don't really consider them as evil even if they do not care about his influence in the sea, and this protecting the innocent civilians. They are pirates, and they always try to be better, stronger, richer, etc. This is like saying if Mihawk would be protecting the civilians (which is something he should be doing as a Shicihbukai by getting rid of stupid rotten pirates), then Zoro's challenge of him to drop him of power, regardless of the consequences (such as death), would have brought him an evil status. And I am sure Whitebeard is not a purely innocent pirate either. I am not sure about the following statement, but in my opinion, if he would be, I am sure Oda would have already made him the second Pirate King. |
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2009-06-23, 14:07 | Link #166 | |
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2009-06-24, 10:35 | Link #167 | |
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2009-06-24, 11:37 | Link #168 |
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It doesn't matter, because Whitebeard never won either. And, the one to be called as the Pirate King was none other than Roger. And if you consider their fights to be more like fights for Whitebeard to take over Roger, the result can be considered as nothing but a failure. Maybe that is one of the reasons why the pirate king seat is still empty, despite Roger's absence. Whitebeard can be the strongest man alive right now, but I will find it hard to believe that he has ever become a man of Roger's stature.
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2009-06-24, 12:52 | Link #170 | |
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Secondly, what Doflamingo is doing is supported by the World Government. So, even though it may be considered as a crime from a normal point of view, it is not. Hence, that special case cannot be used on what the pirating may become if Whitebeard were to lose. If there is one Doflamingo, there are many more of the opposite as strong. You are focusing on a single aspect ignoring all the other variables around. What happened many years ago on the mermen island may not need to happen in the future had Whitebeard fell from power. There is an ever growing Dragon and his revolutionary army, which may force the WG to change as well, making their sole focus on the bad pirates not the good ones. The times are changing. What happened in the past does not have recreate itself making people look for a pirate like Whitebeard to protect themselves. |
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2009-06-24, 13:25 | Link #171 |
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^Once again, I am not talking about good or evil, I am not talking about criminal or inoccent, etc. I am talking about chaos. Whitebeard, by controlling the shipping lanes to and from the New World, actively controlled which pirates could go to the New World. Without Whitebeard, chaos could reign supreme, and pirates, like DoFlamingo (who are not having an adventure (i.e. trying to attain the title of Pirate King), but are instead only in the business of pirating for wealth) could become more prevelent. (In fact this is kind of the point of DoFlamingo - he represents a new age of piracy not restricted by the norms and conventions of the previous age.)
There is no need to discuss Dragon, there is no need to refference Roger, there is no need to bring up anything that you are mentioning. The original question was: What could happen to the world if Whitebeard were to fall. I answered it, and even focused entirely on what Whitebeard does within the One Piece universe and what could specifically happen if he were to fall (I do not care if Dragon or Shanks or whoever can pick up the slack, the question was only keyed to the specifics of Whitebeard's downfall not who could fill his place). All of this peripheral info and side points, while potentially valid, are unneeded for my answer. |
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2009-06-25, 09:39 | Link #173 | |
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Roger wasn't trying to become Pirate King, he just wanted to conquer the Grand Line... Roger also never called himself the Pirate King, the people did... Nobody knows if Whitebeard was, or is, even trying to become Pirate King... Because giving Whitebeard's personality... i doubt he cares... Being the Strongest Man in The Seas is a title that fits his personality... Roger was called the Pirate King only because he made it all the way to Raftel... Not only that Whitebeard, Rayleigh, and Roger (with a few others) are all old school... Pirates in this current era sail the seas to become Pirate King and find One Piece... Doubt Whitebeard cares about either one... Last edited by Red-Haired_Shanks; 2009-06-25 at 15:10. |
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2009-06-25, 12:27 | Link #175 | |
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If you are that interested in how the potential chaos could end, then write a post addressing your points, and stop trying to force your stances and opinions on top of my post. |
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2009-06-25, 12:54 | Link #176 |
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And that is why I said you are focusing on a specific item and ignore the rest. The potential chaos is only "important" if it lasts very long or be at a level that cannot be stopped. That is the reason you are posting many times about the chaos. You are expecting something extremely big out of that, by exaggerating Whitebeard's influence way too much. It is not like he is the sole preventive measure for what not happens in the world. There are many other factors that do not intervene, cause it is not needed as much. But, in case such help is needed, the people will be there to do so. Aren't we given enough hints on that with what Luffy had done along his travels, and what Dragon is doing right now. And it is not like the World Government and Shichibukai are completely ignorant of everything either.
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2009-06-25, 13:01 | Link #177 |
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^It's not about being too specific or not within the confines of the world, it is about addressing the topic. The original topic wasn't "list everything that could occur after Whitebeard falls, and eveyone that could benefit or not from his fall" (which would include some of what you and I have mentioned), it was simply, "what are the immediate effects of Whitebeard's fall", consequently, my answer was more than sufficient to address the topic.
I'm going to stop now, since there is no need for me to facilitate your discussion. If you want to make a point, simply write a post where you make a point. Stop trying to force information into my posts, especially info that is not needed for what I am trying to discuss. |
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Ace doesn't know about Whitebeard's past... Whitebeard has a large fleet comparable to Don Krieg... The fact he is regarded as the Strongest man alive is because he is the only man to fight "Equal" with the Pirate King... and being as though Gol D. Roger NEVER ACTUALLY DEFEATED HIM... But made it to Raftel FIRST... Its safe to say that he's as strong as Roger |
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