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He is still as cool now as he was before. Sasuke for life! | 55 | 16.87% | |
Give the guy some slack, after all his entire family was murdered | 56 | 17.18% | |
Never liked him, never hated him | 81 | 24.85% | |
Yeah, I am beginning to hate him now. | 45 | 13.80% | |
Sasuke deserves to die! A.S.S for life! | 89 | 27.30% | |
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2004-06-23, 23:27 | Link #61 | |
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2004-06-23, 23:28 | Link #62 | |
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Naruto is not Gary-Stu!
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Alright. You win. *sigh* This is what happens when I skip parts in the manga. I guess I will have to agree with you on the Sasuke bit, but to make my argument less pathetic, I'll just defend Naruto (you know, to distract from my flawed Sasuke-is-a-butt ramble) You're right that Naruto's the perfect hero, but the point is that if you have a flawed hero, badly-done angst will definitely follow. Sasuke's "he made me... cry *gasp*" is an example of that. Naruto is not the series where I sit in front of the screen and make fun of everything the main character says and does. I enjoy that- I've been into too many series where I've truly *hated* the main character because s/he was either a love-struck ditz or an angsty pretty boy. Naruto's been hated his whole life, but he still has the excess courage to prove everyone wrong. It's so perfect and ideal, but at least it's cute. Perfection is only annoying when it's not human in the Mary Sue/Gary-Stu way, not dormant-Kyubi way. The reason people hate Mary Sue is because she gets what she doesn't deserve- if any Mary Sue were put on earth (without her lust-powder), nobody would like her. However, if you put Naruto in the real world, most likely, people would think he's an annoying loudmouth, but he would make friends who see past that, etc... Naruto has an admirable personality, wheareas Mary Sue (and all her relatives) have none. |
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2004-06-23, 23:36 | Link #63 | |
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2004-06-23, 23:39 | Link #64 | |
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Stupidity was only one third of the reasoning behind my near unparalleled hatred for Sasuke, but it was based on specific things he did. I'll go through and cite them if you want me to, if only to prove that my opinions aren't as simple as "Sasuke is dumb so I hate him." I think stating my reasoning for disliking him is the very height of productivity in a thread entitled "Opinion of Sasuke...", whereas turning what I said into something totally unrelated and concerning Naruto is not. (There have been threads like this before, and somebody always makes them into a Naruto vs. Sasuke ordeal. I'd think of all people, you'd hate that the most.) Anyway, here's hoping I'm not banned. |
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2004-06-23, 23:41 | Link #65 | |
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2004-06-23, 23:43 | Link #66 |
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dammit tron, you beat me to it again. Yes he has met the ninetails and has talked with the ninetails. also he did know about the ninetails before that. In the first episode Iruka asks naruto if naruto knew who the 4th hokage was. naruto said that he learned that he was a powerful ninja that saved the village from an even fox demon. the only thing that the 3rd hokage put a bann on the hole village was telling naruto that the demon fox was inside of him . just incase anybody was going to try and use the " naruto didnt know about the demon fox because hokage put a law about him learning about kyuubi" to defend their point of naruto not knowing of kyuubi
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2004-06-23, 23:44 | Link #67 | |
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I'm merely pointing out that from my experience the "Naruto fanboys" tend NOT to say anything meaningful when talking trash against Sasuke. Usually it is the one-liner of "Sasuke is stupid" without any logical reasoning to back it up. And that my friend, isn't very productive and which is what I was referring to. |
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2004-06-23, 23:49 | Link #68 | |
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and as to him being taught about the kyuubi, as far as I saw, I've never seen an episode where they were teaching kids about the kyuubi or showing them pictures. I take that from facts, not assumptions. that makes sense, right? |
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2004-06-23, 23:53 | Link #69 |
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naruto was told of the ninetails fox anywways by mizuki .... wait wait... are you guyz still saying that gamabunta actually TURNED into the kyuubi????????? is that what you still trying to say. becuase as was stated.. and please dranz .. you know so back me up . it was just a transformation it was still gamabunta just looking like kyuubi. kyuubi is to powrful, he would of just destroyed gaara and shikaku with out a problem
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2004-06-23, 23:59 | Link #70 | |
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i have to agree with you on the sasuke part but you 4got that oro also said that being around the kyubi kid is starting to change him. itachi really did a number on sasuke this time, and now that im thinking about it i think the only reason he wanted to fight naruto so bad was to really test himself. he saw 1st hand naruto's true abilies because you have to amitt naruto through everything and then some at gaara to stop him. his brother has no interest in him but in naruto so he wanted to see the difference between him and naruto. and the difference was great by the damage done to the water tanks. i think sasuke would get alot stronger training under kakashi then he would oro just for the fact that i highly doubt oro is going to train him and if he does he isnt going to make him stronger then he is because he wants his body. kakashi on the other hand was instruction to get sasuke to learn and hopefully master his sharingan. i wouldnt say naruto is perfect but he is the only shit talker in the series |
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2004-06-24, 00:07 | Link #72 | |||
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Yes, I am positive that Gamabunta lent Naruto his Chakra. No it is a fact that Naruto and Kyubi are two different entities despite what you may think. Gaara was not dying from the head thing. Naruto can barely move after that either. What was he going to do after he squirms to him? Bite him? I said that because Kabuto really did get hit by the Rasengan because he was underestimating Naruto. I also said that we don't know how much he underestimates him because we don't know much about Kabuto's attention and whatnot. Can you point out to me where it says that Kabuto sent extra Sound Nins or Sound Nin's in general to go after Naruto because he thinks that Naruto should not be underestimated? I don't think that the KageBushin and 1,000 Years of Pain did much to Gaara. If anything, it hindered his transformation but it didn't do much serious damage that secured his victory as you are believing. Quote:
There hasn't been much occasion where he rants and raves about his superiority. What he thinks is another thing entirely. If getting beat up all the time does not hurt his "ego," he would not be having such thoughts such as "When did Naruto get this strong?" or "How can I gain that kind of power?" He is seemingly aware of the fact of that there are strong people in Konoha. Take the Chuunin exam for example where he seeks to answer, "Am I strong?" He is hell bent on trying to get strong because of the chain effects that have been happening to his already crappy life. Yes, Neji stopped being a jerk, but that's only because Naruto changed that. Neji is out of the darkness as opposed to Sasuke who is so far gone then he doesn't even comprehend the fact that Orochimaru want to take his damn body. Just as Neji shut up about fate, Sasuke will shut up about ambition once Naruto puts some sense into him. Quote:
Anyways, it is of little importance of how Naruto imagined Kyubi. The fact is, Naruto and Gamabunta did a combination Henge to turn into Kyubi. It was a tranformation in appearance. |
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2004-06-24, 00:15 | Link #74 | |
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in the manga it was just a plan fox but they changed it to kyubi in the anime. i guess it give the ideal of how its demon vs demon fight. i just wonder if naruto is going to change bunta to look like kyubi again and this time be kyubi naruto and give charka to gumbunta in a fight tht would be bad ass |
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2004-06-24, 00:17 | Link #75 | |
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PerniciousJuJu i can't believe that you said earlier that Naruto used his own chraka to henge Gamabunta into Kyuubi and the headbutt that Naruto gave Gaara was fatal. Have you ever stop to think that Naruto would know how Kyuubi looks likes since he live inside of him. Also, someone said something about how Naruto didn't look completly at Kyuubi whole body, so he doesn't know how he looks like. Shit, the whole name kind of give you an idea how he looks like. A fox with nine tails, how hard can that be. Last edited by Last of the Uchiha; 2004-06-24 at 02:47. |
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2004-06-24, 00:19 | Link #76 |
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in the manga it looked like kyuubi as well.. i dont remember if it had the nine tails or not but the head and arms looked like kyuubi. but yea , that was how the arguement started was sumone saying that gamabunta actually became kyuubi. when it was just a transformation to look like kyuubi
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2004-06-24, 00:19 | Link #77 | |
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2004-06-24, 00:20 | Link #78 | |
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2004-06-24, 00:22 | Link #79 |
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they were not taught , but atleast naruto heard rumors about the 4th beating a giant fox demon . and iruka was talkin to him about the 4th so it would seem to me that sasuke would have heard of the 4th beatin a fox demon as well. but since sasuke doesnt know about kyuubi being inside of naruto i'm sure he wouldnt make the conection as to why naruto would pick a fox.
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2004-06-24, 00:32 | Link #80 | |
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