[Manga] Chapter 345 Discussion

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[DeDe]

The spoiler from the other thread.

Spoiler for Chapter 345:

By WinterLion

詳細バレ｢新時代｣
Spoiler "New Era"
扉絵:無し
Cover: None
蛇の誘惑…
Snake's temtpation...

上空からの千鳥で大蛇の体に穴が空く
A hole is made in Oro's body by a Chidori from above.
大蛇丸｢小僧…今のは痛かったぞ｣
Oro: "Brat... This one actually hurt."
サスケ｢火影を殺った奴がこの程度か｣
Sasuke: "This is it? The one that killed a Hokage..."
大蛇丸｢その名を口に出すな、俺が一番嫌いなものだ｣
Oro: "Don't say that name. It's the one thing I hate most."
一人称が変わる大蛇丸
Oro changes pronouns. (Instead of the feminine/formal pronoun, he starts using a masculine one).

サスケ｢邪に生きたお前の末路だ｣
Sasuke: "This is the end for you who lived in evil."
大蛇丸｢同じだよ、己の言葉で己を苦しめてる｣
Oro: "It's the same. Torturing one self with one's own words."
大蛇丸｢俺はうちはを遥かに越えた存在を少なくとも5人知っている…｣
Oro: "I know at least 5 people who have completely surpassed Uchihas."
サスケ｢いきなり何を言う、気が狂ったか｣
Sasuke: "What are you saying all the sudden? Have you lost your mind?"
大蛇丸｢その中の3人は既に死人、1人は俺が殺した｣
Oro: "3 of those are already dead, and 1 of them, I killed."
サスケ｢貴様の虚言だ｣
Sasuke: "Just your lies."

大蛇丸｢事実が怖いか…お前も所詮、時の中に埋もれ全て消えゆく存在｣
Oro: "You're scared of the truth... You're just an existence that will disappear, buried beneath time.
大蛇丸｢ウガァァァ!｣
Oro: "Ugaaaah!"
サスケの爪が片方のキバを砕く
Sasuke's claws shatter one of Oro's fangs.
イタチ｢俺は一族に絶望している…｣
Itachi: "I am in despair over the clan..."

大蛇丸｢お前はうちはにしかなれない!その枠から抜け出せない!｣
Oro: "You can only be an Uchiha! You can't escape from that frame!"
サスケ｢火遁、剛火球の術｣
Sasuke: "Katon: Goukakyu no jutsu"
燃えながら這いずる大蛇丸
Oro crawls while burning.
サスケ｢そのうちはの力を欲したのはお前だ｣
Sasuke: "You're the one who wanted that Uchiha power."

大蛇丸｢今の世すら知らず頂点に立てないお前が幾年にも築き上げられた
全ての世の集合体である遥か上の頂きに立つのは無理なんだよ｣
Oro: "You can't stand on the top of an aggregate of all the eras,
that were built over many years when you don't even know this era and can't stand at it's top."
サスケ｢世代交代だ、そんなルール俺がぶっ壊してやる｣
Sasuke: "It's an alternation of generations. I'll just crush that rule."

---

刀を抜いた瞬間大蛇丸の口横から切り込みを入れる
Drawing his sword, he slices the side of Oro's mouth.
大蛇丸｢ひよっこ…お前も俺も時の中に消える、俺達は似ているな…｣
Oro: "Little chick... You and I will both disappear into time. We're alike..."
サスケ｢もういいから永遠に眠ってろ｣
Sasuke: "Enough already. Just sleep forever."
大蛇の体が上下真っ二つに裂ける
Oro's body is cut into 2, top and bottom.

サスケの顔と刀に返り血が付く
Oro's blood gets on Sasuke's face and sword.
サスケ｢死なねぇよ…望み叶うまでな…｣
Sasuke: "I won't die... not until my desire is granted..."

場面変わりどこかの草原
Scene changes to a field somewhere.
暁リーダーの素顔登場、鼻にスクウェアピアス、イスに座って寛いでる
Akatsuki leader's face appears. Square piercings in his nose. Sprawled out in a chair.

大勢の集団の先頭にイタチが立っている、眼の先には大きな里
Itachi is standing at the front of a huge group. In front of him is a large village.

リーダー｢甘ったるい空気、気分もブルーで良い戦争日和だな…｣
Leader: "The air is sweet, the mood is blue and it's a good weather for war..."
リーダー｢世界を変えにいこうか…｣
Leader: "Shall we go change the world..."

手に持ってる軍師うちわを閉じてバッと前に指す
He closes the strategist fan and points it forward.

何万という大勢の忍者がガァーっとイタチを通り過ぎ里に向かって走りだす
Hundreds of thousands of ninja roar past Itachi and run towards the village.

リーダー｢…｣
Leader: "..."

煽り:混沌の世界に包まれていく…
End: Wrapped in a world of chaos...
予告:誰かの想いは時の中で死に、人の業は怒りと悲しみを生む、次号｢怒りに目覚める日｣
Preview: Someone's thoughts die inside time, people's acts birth rage and sadness. Next issue: "The day woken up to rage"

[Sasuke_Bateman]

Originally Posted by DeDe

The spoiler from the other thread.

Spoiler for Chapter 345:

By WinterLion

詳細バレ｢新時代｣
Spoiler "New Era"
扉絵:無し
Cover: None
蛇の誘惑…
Snake's temtpation...

上空からの千鳥で大蛇の体に穴が空く
A hole is made in Oro's body by a Chidori from above.
大蛇丸｢小僧…今のは痛かったぞ｣
Oro: "Brat... This one actually hurt."
サスケ｢火影を殺った奴がこの程度か｣
Sasuke: "This is it? The one that killed a Hokage..."
大蛇丸｢その名を口に出すな、俺が一番嫌いなものだ｣
Oro: "Don't say that name. It's the one thing I hate most."
一人称が変わる大蛇丸
Oro changes pronouns. (Instead of the feminine/formal pronoun, he starts using a masculine one).

サスケ｢邪に生きたお前の末路だ｣
Sasuke: "This is the end for you who lived in evil."
大蛇丸｢同じだよ、己の言葉で己を苦しめてる｣
Oro: "It's the same. Torturing one self with one's own words."
大蛇丸｢俺はうちはを遥かに越えた存在を少なくとも5人知っている…｣
Oro: "I know at least 5 people who have completely surpassed Uchihas."
サスケ｢いきなり何を言う、気が狂ったか｣
Sasuke: "What are you saying all the sudden? Have you lost your mind?"
大蛇丸｢その中の3人は既に死人、1人は俺が殺した｣
Oro: "3 of those are already dead, and 1 of them, I killed."
サスケ｢貴様の虚言だ｣
Sasuke: "Just your lies."

大蛇丸｢事実が怖いか…お前も所詮、時の中に埋もれ全て消えゆく存在｣
Oro: "You're scared of the truth... You're just an existence that will disappear, buried beneath time.
大蛇丸｢ウガァァァ!｣
Oro: "Ugaaaah!"
サスケの爪が片方のキバを砕く
Sasuke's claws shatter one of Oro's fangs.
イタチ｢俺は一族に絶望している…｣
Itachi: "I am in despair over the clan..."

大蛇丸｢お前はうちはにしかなれない!その枠から抜け出せない!｣
Oro: "You can only be an Uchiha! You can't escape from that frame!"
サスケ｢火遁、剛火球の術｣
Sasuke: "Katon: Goukakyu no jutsu"
燃えながら這いずる大蛇丸
Oro crawls while burning.
サスケ｢そのうちはの力を欲したのはお前だ｣
Sasuke: "You're the one who wanted that Uchiha power."

大蛇丸｢今の世すら知らず頂点に立てないお前が幾年にも築き上げられた
全ての世の集合体である遥か上の頂きに立つのは無理なんだよ｣
Oro: "You can't stand on the top of an aggregate of all the eras,
that were built over many years when you don't even know this era and can't stand at it's top."
サスケ｢世代交代だ、そんなルール俺がぶっ壊してやる｣
Sasuke: "It's an alternation of generations. I'll just crush that rule."

---

刀を抜いた瞬間大蛇丸の口横から切り込みを入れる
Drawing his sword, he slices the side of Oro's mouth.
大蛇丸｢ひよっこ…お前も俺も時の中に消える、俺達は似ているな…｣
Oro: "Little chick... You and I will both disappear into time. We're alike..."
サスケ｢もういいから永遠に眠ってろ｣
Sasuke: "Enough already. Just sleep forever."
大蛇の体が上下真っ二つに裂ける
Oro's body is cut into 2, top and bottom.

サスケの顔と刀に返り血が付く
Oro's blood gets on Sasuke's face and sword.
サスケ｢死なねぇよ…望み叶うまでな…｣
Sasuke: "I won't die... not until my desire is granted..."

場面変わりどこかの草原
Scene changes to a field somewhere.
暁リーダーの素顔登場、鼻にスクウェアピアス、イスに座って寛いでる
Akatsuki leader's face appears. Square piercings in his nose. Sprawled out in a chair.

大勢の集団の先頭にイタチが立っている、眼の先には大きな里
Itachi is standing at the front of a huge group. In front of him is a large village.

リーダー｢甘ったるい空気、気分もブルーで良い戦争日和だな…｣
Leader: "The air is sweet, the mood is blue and it's a good weather for war..."
リーダー｢世界を変えにいこうか…｣
Leader: "Shall we go change the world..."

手に持ってる軍師うちわを閉じてバッと前に指す
He closes the strategist fan and points it forward.

何万という大勢の忍者がガァーっとイタチを通り過ぎ里に向かって走りだす
Hundreds of thousands of ninja roar past Itachi and run towards the village.

リーダー｢…｣
Leader: "..."

煽り:混沌の世界に包まれていく…
End: Wrapped in a world of chaos...
予告:誰かの想いは時の中で死に、人の業は怒りと悲しみを生む、次号｢怒りに目覚める日｣
Preview: Someone's thoughts die inside time, people's acts birth rage and sadness. Next issue: "The day woken up to rage"

no fucking way.This sounds like bad Shakespeare…very bad. So the only other person who surpassed Uchihas is the AL ?

[Syndicate]

lol i was wrong! sasuke beyond badassness

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by DeDe

The spoiler from the other thread.

Spoiler for Chapter 345:

By WinterLion

詳細バレ｢新時代｣
Spoiler "New Era"
扉絵:無し
Cover: None
蛇の誘惑…
Snake's temtpation...

上空からの千鳥で大蛇の体に穴が空く
A hole is made in Oro's body by a Chidori from above.
大蛇丸｢小僧…今のは痛かったぞ｣
Oro: "Brat... This one actually hurt."
サスケ｢火影を殺った奴がこの程度か｣
Sasuke: "This is it? The one that killed a Hokage..."
大蛇丸｢その名を口に出すな、俺が一番嫌いなものだ｣
Oro: "Don't say that name. It's the one thing I hate most."
一人称が変わる大蛇丸
Oro changes pronouns. (Instead of the feminine/formal pronoun, he starts using a masculine one).

サスケ｢邪に生きたお前の末路だ｣
Sasuke: "This is the end for you who lived in evil."
大蛇丸｢同じだよ、己の言葉で己を苦しめてる｣
Oro: "It's the same. Torturing one self with one's own words."
大蛇丸｢俺はうちはを遥かに越えた存在を少なくとも5人知っている…｣
Oro: "I know at least 5 people who have completely surpassed Uchihas."
サスケ｢いきなり何を言う、気が狂ったか｣
Sasuke: "What are you saying all the sudden? Have you lost your mind?"
大蛇丸｢その中の3人は既に死人、1人は俺が殺した｣
Oro: "3 of those are already dead, and 1 of them, I killed."
サスケ｢貴様の虚言だ｣
Sasuke: "Just your lies."

大蛇丸｢事実が怖いか…お前も所詮、時の中に埋もれ全て消えゆく存在｣
Oro: "You're scared of the truth... You're just an existence that will disappear, buried beneath time.
大蛇丸｢ウガァァァ!｣
Oro: "Ugaaaah!"
サスケの爪が片方のキバを砕く
Sasuke's claws shatter one of Oro's fangs.
イタチ｢俺は一族に絶望している…｣
Itachi: "I am in despair over the clan..."

大蛇丸｢お前はうちはにしかなれない!その枠から抜け出せない!｣
Oro: "You can only be an Uchiha! You can't escape from that frame!"
サスケ｢火遁、剛火球の術｣
Sasuke: "Katon: Goukakyu no jutsu"
燃えながら這いずる大蛇丸
Oro crawls while burning.
サスケ｢そのうちはの力を欲したのはお前だ｣
Sasuke: "You're the one who wanted that Uchiha power."

大蛇丸｢今の世すら知らず頂点に立てないお前が幾年にも築き上げられた
全ての世の集合体である遥か上の頂きに立つのは無理なんだよ｣
Oro: "You can't stand on the top of an aggregate of all the eras,
that were built over many years when you don't even know this era and can't stand at it's top."
サスケ｢世代交代だ、そんなルール俺がぶっ壊してやる｣
Sasuke: "It's an alternation of generations. I'll just crush that rule."

---

刀を抜いた瞬間大蛇丸の口横から切り込みを入れる
Drawing his sword, he slices the side of Oro's mouth.
大蛇丸｢ひよっこ…お前も俺も時の中に消える、俺達は似ているな…｣
Oro: "Little chick... You and I will both disappear into time. We're alike..."
サスケ｢もういいから永遠に眠ってろ｣
Sasuke: "Enough already. Just sleep forever."
大蛇の体が上下真っ二つに裂ける
Oro's body is cut into 2, top and bottom.

サスケの顔と刀に返り血が付く
Oro's blood gets on Sasuke's face and sword.
サスケ｢死なねぇよ…望み叶うまでな…｣
Sasuke: "I won't die... not until my desire is granted..."

場面変わりどこかの草原
Scene changes to a field somewhere.
暁リーダーの素顔登場、鼻にスクウェアピアス、イスに座って寛いでる
Akatsuki leader's face appears. Square piercings in his nose. Sprawled out in a chair.

大勢の集団の先頭にイタチが立っている、眼の先には大きな里
Itachi is standing at the front of a huge group. In front of him is a large village.

リーダー｢甘ったるい空気、気分もブルーで良い戦争日和だな…｣
Leader: "The air is sweet, the mood is blue and it's a good weather for war..."
リーダー｢世界を変えにいこうか…｣
Leader: "Shall we go change the world..."

手に持ってる軍師うちわを閉じてバッと前に指す
He closes the strategist fan and points it forward.

何万という大勢の忍者がガァーっとイタチを通り過ぎ里に向かって走りだす
Hundreds of thousands of ninja roar past Itachi and run towards the village.

リーダー｢…｣
Leader: "..."

煽り:混沌の世界に包まれていく…
End: Wrapped in a world of chaos...
予告:誰かの想いは時の中で死に、人の業は怒りと悲しみを生む、次号｢怒りに目覚める日｣
Preview: Someone's thoughts die inside time, people's acts birth rage and sadness. Next issue: "The day woken up to rage"

It is a fake one....boys be aware...this is a huge spoiler , i gotta say...insane!

Spoiler:

I think the translation would've mentioned it...

But then again....the picture could a fake one aswell....

[Rachy]

Kinda looks like they just changed the 232 panel around. Maybe that's on purpose though.

Spoiler:

First spoiler summary sounds really good.

[Syndicate]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

It is a fake one....boys be aware...this is a huge spoiler , i gotta say...insane!

Spoiler:

I think the translation would've mentioned it...

But then again....the picture could a fake one aswell....

sharingan just poons men

johnny the sharingan looks weird though not iun a bad sense but the dot and lines is completely different from what i have seen.

[DeDe]

Legit spoiler pic. We should be getting a summary soon.

Spoiler:

[Kotengu]

It sucks, and I didn't want oro to die, but I'm not surprised considering Naruto beat an akasuki who could possibly have defeted a Hokage, and Sasuke must be shown as stronger than him for now. What I don't like is how crappy oro comes off, completly berated and beat down by sasuke. There better be some nasty battles ahead cuz so far it's been a bit weak.

I wonder what Kabuto's gonna do. . .

Also If Naruto beats sasuke somehow, then he will definatly be strong enough to be a hokage. But who would surpass an uchiha (and oro killed one?)

[Rachy]

Originally Posted by Sasuke Bateman

Soo...Oro died/alive?

Hope dead? ^^

[Sasuke_Bateman]

Originally Posted by Lady Rave

Spoiler for spoiler page:

Soo...Oro died/alive?

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Kotengu

It sucks, and I didn't want oro to die, but I'm not surprised considering Naruto beat an akasuki who could possibly have defeted a Hokage, and Sasuke must be shown as stronger than him for now. What I don't like is how crappy oro comes off, completly berated and beat down by sasuke. There better be some nasty battles ahead cuz so far it's been a bit weak.

I wonder what Kabuto's gonna do. . .

Also If Naruto beats sasuke somehow, then he will definatly be strong enough to be a hokage. But who would surpass an uchiha (and oro killed one?)

Agreed. Sasuke once again walks away without a scratch. And it looks as though Oro was defeated in just 2 chapters. I suppose this means that he was never intended to be the main villain for PartII and that this role will shift to the Akatsuki Leader. There is maybe a small chance that Sasuke left him barely alive and humilated like Itachi did to him, but I doubt it the way he was talking last chapter. We'll know when the summary comes out. Seeing this, I hope they don't pull the same treatment when Sasuke faces Itachi.That fight at least should span several chapters.

[DeDe]

Spoiler summary:

Spoiler for Chapter 345:

From pocketmofo at MH

Real quick translation. A little vague, but it's got some intrigue at the end. Enjoy!

五行バレ(簡易バレ　ニューVER.)
Five Line Spoiler (Quick Spoiler New Version)

切り刻まれる大蛇。勝敗はすぐについた。変身をとくサスケ。しかしそれは大蛇丸の罠だった
気化した体液を吸い体が痺れて動けなくなるサスケ。そして大蛇丸の精神世界に引き込まれる。
*Orochimaru is cut up. The battle is over pretty quickly. Sasuke transforms back to his normal self but this was all a part of Orochimaru’s trap. Sasuke’s body goes numb and unable to move because of Orochimaru’s now likely vaporized and airborne fluids. Sasuke gets sucked up into Orochimaru’s mental world.

精神世界の中で転生の儀式を行う大蛇。大蛇の回想:暁時代にイタチと対峙し圧倒的な瞳術で
全ての術を封じ込まれ金縛りされる。精神世界内で同じ金縛りでサスケも大蛇丸に抵抗する。
Orochimaru begins the ritual for the body transfer technique in the mental world. Orochimaru has a flashback of his days with Akatsuki where he uses the same technique on Itachi but his abilities are disabled and he is held down by Itachi’s powerful eye techniques. In the mental world Sasuke is being held down while trying to resist Orochimaru.

場面変わって全てを察し駆けつけるカブト。すれ違い「今の君は一体どっちなんです?」で終
The scene changes to where Kabuto rushes over to see what’s going on. As Sasuke passes by him Kabuto asks, “Just which one are you?”


Picture translation:

Kabuto: "Just which...one are you?"

Sidetext: Sasuke and Orochimaru--one is gone and one remains. But the one in that body is...!?

It's the ultimate cliffhanger!

[Mr. Johnny 5]

You gotta be kidding me!! Sasuke walking away without a scratch? All calm as if nothing happend!!

Very disappointing....fine if he kills Orochimaru but then he should be all bloody & messed up, clothing ripped appart & some joints dislocated...not like this...

Oro cant die like that!

[Sasuke_Bateman]

Originally Posted by DeDe

Spoiler summary:

Spoiler for Chapter 345:

From pocketmofo at MH

Real quick translation. A little vague, but it's got some intrigue at the end. Enjoy!

五行バレ(簡易バレ　ニューVER.)
Five Line Spoiler (Quick Spoiler New Version)

切り刻まれる大蛇。勝敗はすぐについた。変身をとくサスケ。しかしそれは大蛇丸の罠だった
気化した体液を吸い体が痺れて動けなくなるサスケ。そして大蛇丸の精神世界に引き込まれる。
*Orochimaru is cut up. The battle is over pretty quickly. Sasuke transforms back to his normal self but this was all a part of Orochimaru’s trap. Sasuke’s body goes numb and unable to move because of Orochimaru’s now likely vaporized and airborne fluids. Sasuke gets sucked up into Orochimaru’s mental world.

精神世界の中で転生の儀式を行う大蛇。大蛇の回想:暁時代にイタチと対峙し圧倒的な瞳術で
全ての術を封じ込まれ金縛りされる。精神世界内で同じ金縛りでサスケも大蛇丸に抵抗する。
Orochimaru begins the ritual for the body transfer technique in the mental world. Orochimaru has a flashback of his days with Akatsuki where he uses the same technique on Itachi but his abilities are disabled and he is held down by Itachi’s powerful eye techniques. In the mental world Sasuke is being held down while trying to resist Orochimaru.

場面変わって全てを察し駆けつけるカブト。すれ違い「今の君は一体どっちなんです?」で終
The scene changes to where Kabuto rushes over to see what’s going on. As Sasuke passes by him Kabuto asks, “Just which one are you?”


Picture translation:

Kabuto: "Just which...one are you?"

Sidetext: Sasuke and Orochimaru--one is gone and one remains. But the one in that body is...!?

It's the ultimate cliffhanger!

fuck this shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why!!!

[Rachy]

Originally Posted by DeDe

It's the ultimate cliffhanger!

That cliffhanger is a pain, more so if they go completly off Sasuke and Oro in 347 >.<.

It's just gotta be Sasuke still. Had kinda the same look on his face in 234 It's Sasuke ... I think.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

That's NOT a cliffhanger....Orochimaru would act VERY different....

Spoiler:

He'd go: Muhahaha!!! YESS!!! ATLAST DEAR SERVANT!!!! (Kabuto)
I got an UCHIHA BODY FOR MY SELF!!!

This Sasuke seems more like:

Well...that was easy....i will ignore Kabuto because....he is kind & sweet...unlike Orochimaru. (Picture in the middle)

Wait....he was a spy right??....he might talk...should i kill him?(last picture)

And Kabuto was like:

Oh god...no scatches....that cant be Orochimaru...he was in a pathetic state....Are you gonna kill me? (First picture)

So you ignore me huh? (thinking: Must be Sasuke...darn arrogant punk!) (Middle picture)

[Sakuyakun]

Looking at the legit pic and the new spoiler,

Spoiler:

does the curse seal in sasuke's shoulder proves something?

[Sasuke_Bateman]

Originally Posted by Sakuyakun

Looking at the legit pic and the new spoiler,

Spoiler:

does the curse seal in sasuke's shoulder proves something?

It looks different from before...like it has an X in the middle... or is it just me and my fantasticle eyes

and if Sasuke is gone it's like writing the bible and killing God...it's just senseless! what is the point! it better be Sasuke, if it ain't i'm going to pay Kishimoto a little visit.

[Crebstar]

I really like how they are going with these last few chapters actually. If this spoiler is true they did a really good job in giving everyone a surprize the least expected outcome. Which, to me is a good thing because now I don't have to think I always know what is coming next.