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2012-09-29, 22:03 | Link #462 | |
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2012-09-30, 06:46 | Link #463 | |
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It's someone else's (government, etc) problem, not his/hers. Only the vocal online rightwingers are voicing opinionative rants from the comfort of their rooms, majority are "meh, I'm too busy workin' and thinking what I'm gonna have dinner tonight, and how to hit on that girl down the office"
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2012-09-30, 10:35 | Link #464 |
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With East Asian Missile Defense, U.S. Sends a Clear Message to China
By Yogesh Joshi, on 26 Sep 2012, Briefing The U.S. and Japan recently concluded an agreement to expand their joint missile defense program by installing a new X-Band radar in southern Japan, in addition to the one already located in Shiriki, Japan. Reports also suggest that the U.S. is looking to deploy another of these highly intrusive and sensitive systems somewhere in Southeast Asia, further complementing the missile-defense capabilities of Aegis-equipped U.S. warships that patrol international waters in the region. Combined, the developments suggest that the U.S. intends to build a string of missile defense systems around the arc of the South China Sea. Read more http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/a...ssage-to-china |
2012-09-30, 10:47 | Link #465 |
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USS George Washington, USS John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Groups Patrol Western Pacific
USS George Washington, USS John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Groups Patrol Western Pacific Navy News Service Story Number: NNS120929-01 9/29/2012 By Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Kelby Sanders, U.S. 7th Fleet Public Affairs YOKOSUKA, Japan (NNS) -- YOKOSUKA, Japan - Two of the U.S. Navy's global force aircraft carrier strike groups (CSGs) are currently conducting operations in the vital Asia-Pacific region. Ships of the forward-deployed George Washington CSG, to include the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73), its embarked air wing, Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 5, the guided missile cruiser USS Cowpens (CG 63) and the guided missile destroyer USS McCampbell (DDG 85); coupled with the ships of the John C. Stennis CSG, to include the Bremerton, Wash.-based aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), its embarked CVW 9, and the San Diego-based guided-missile cruiser USS Mobile Bay (CG 53); are currently patrolling the Western Pacific. They are providing a combat-ready force that protects and defends the collective maritime interest of the United States and its allies and partners Read more http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...0929-nns01.htm No reaction from the Chinese media. Last edited by PzIVf3; 2012-09-30 at 11:02. |
2012-09-30, 12:15 | Link #466 | |
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As a comparison, previously when a Chinese boat strayed to the islands, the Japanese will confiscate the boat or put a fine, but the people on it would be deported immediately. This way, both sides save face, the Japanese can say they did guard the territory, the Chinese will put out some empty words as protest and say they fulfilled its obligation to protect the Chinese citizen since they get the people back. But what's different was there was a new party in Tokyo. Track record of this party now includes failed campaign promise to move the US base, bend over to Chinese pressure in 2010, and blown up nuclear reactors in 2011. Oh yes, let's not forget a finance minister who killed himself and an ambassador who died mysteriously before taking his position. I expect a lot more for this party in the future. |
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2012-09-30, 17:12 | Link #470 | ||
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2012-09-30, 17:38 | Link #471 | |
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http://defensetech.org/2010/12/28/ch...e-operational/ At the end of the day, this is all about force projection and zones of control, let's not stand on soap boxes and hoot and hollar in joy when we're talking about the deployment of military assets that are meant to further political policy. Ultimately, this will all be decided in the realm of politics, even regarding whether to "pull the trigger" as it were. |
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2012-09-30, 18:32 | Link #473 | |
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Even if you ignore the layers of defences the battle groups have, there's the simple issue of targeting a ship taking evasive action on open sea with what amounts to an IRBM. Or the fact that any such missile launch won't come as a surprise seeing how china is permanently under satellite and radar monitoring
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2012-09-30, 19:16 | Link #475 | |
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All ships are equipped with Phalanx CIWS and satellites would pick up signals if missiles are launched. This ain't the same kind of situation as in the Falklands War at all now. Ithekro has a point too: we don't even know if their stuff would work at all. Another example would be that even though it is said the Chinese supposedly stole the secrets of the Russian T-50 PAK-FA, the Russians are still laughing about this by saying that the stealth fighter isn't about to be that damn good at all (according to General Alexander Zelin and Ilya Kramnik). I'm just saying that I'm surprised the PRC hasn't issued a statement yet about the presence of the GW, the Johnny Reb and their escorts in the area. The PRC would complain all day long when Japanese ships are in some areas and yet they don't say a single thing about this... go figure. Last edited by KiraYamatoFan; 2012-09-30 at 20:18. |
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2012-09-30, 19:46 | Link #476 |
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Well the ships have to get to an area the Chinese would complain about first. If they setup shop near the Senkaku Islands, then the Chinese will cause a fuss over it as they see those as Chinese waters. If the American carriers setup shop near any of the disputed island groups, it will probably raise a fuss (save for maybe if the Americans setup near Taiwan, but not between Taiwan and China). Just being in the general area between Japan and Guam isn't going to cause the Chinese to throw a political fit.
That reminds me...USS Enterprise should be heading for home soon from her last Persian Gulf/Arabian Sea tour.
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2012-09-30, 20:43 | Link #479 |
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As an outsider looking in I think it is madness that two economic powerhouses of Japan and China would go to war over some small island. What is in it for the winners? The most valuable resource in the island is oil I believe and it is my thought there are about 20 million barrels worth in there. Even if we make a generous assumption and say it is 200 million that is not enough to justify a war.
Me thinks this is just a lot of chest thumping and grandstanding. Nothing that significant will come from this, maybe some trade restrictions but not more. I think going forward China is more likely to get into a war with India or some other neighbour over water resources but that is another chapter... |
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