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OhJustSomeRandomGuy · 2003-12-19, 13:20

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Originally Posted by hobobaggins

but kakashi has 3 flecks in his one eye. which makes it more powerful than sasuke's sharingan.

Yeah, it's like CPUs. If I have a 2.0 GHz chip, and you have 2 1.5 GHz chips, the 2.0 still owns the 2 chips.

Tboz · 2003-12-19, 14:20

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Originally Posted by OhJustSomeRandomGuy

It's also not obvious that he got the sharingan from Orochimaru. It looks like they have a past relationship, because Orochimaru is from the Leaf Village. It's not like they wouldn't have known each other. It's certain that Kakashi didn't have the eye to start out.

It's also obvious that Orochimaru didn't give it to him (once again, anime subs.) because when Orochimaru runs into Kakashi when he's protecting Sasuke, Orochimaru tells Kakashi, "I see you got what you desired." in reference to the sharingan.

Maybe Kakashi used some of his techniques to get the eye from one of the clan members that Itachi killed. It'll be answered later, I imagine. I just hope Kakashi finds a way to get buffer, or hasnt' shown the full extent of his powers yet.

Orochimaru was telling Kakashi that he's lucky to get what he (Oro) always desired.

You are making Kakashi sound like a hypocrite with some evil agenda.

Anyway, there's also speculations that he got the eye from his best friend.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...9975#post19975

OhJustSomeRandomGuy · 2003-12-19, 14:57

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Originally Posted by Tboz

Orochimaru was telling Kakashi that he's lucky to get what he (Oro) always desired.

You are making Kakashi sound like a hypocrite with some evil agenda.

Anyway, there's also speculations that he got the eye from his best friend.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...9975#post19975

Well...that makes a bit more sense. Guess I got a bad subber.

I don't think Kakashi has an evil agenda, but perhaps a bit of a darker past. I'd heard the best friend suggestion...I'm just assuming he was dead or dying when he gave it to Kakashi, because his friend doesn't seem to be around anymore...and Kakashi mentions something early on about not having his friends around.

hobobaggins · 2003-12-19, 15:08

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Originally Posted by OhJustSomeRandomGuy

Yeah, it's like CPUs. If I have a 2.0 GHz chip, and you have 2 1.5 GHz chips, the 2.0 still owns the 2 chips.

they are completely different things. so what? he does not have it in both eyes. but he can STILL see stuff that sasuke cannot because he has that third fleck, and sasuke does not.

so there.

OhJustSomeRandomGuy · 2003-12-19, 15:15

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Originally Posted by hobobaggins

they are completely different things. so what? he does not have it in both eyes. but he can STILL see stuff that sasuke cannot because he has that third fleck, and sasuke does not.

so there.

Wrong guy to flame. Read my example again, it backs yours up.

1 powerful chip beats 2 lesser chips.

1 powerful Sharingan beats 2 lessers.

Though if you want to argue with your own argument, go right ahead.

hobobaggins · 2003-12-19, 15:21

i will argue with everything i see fit. and that was not a flame. that was an expression of my opinion. i will now argue that arguing is arguable.

If you argue with an arguer, that makes you an arguer so the arguer you are arguing with is arguing with an arguer.

OhJustSomeRandomGuy · 2003-12-19, 15:30

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Originally Posted by hobobaggins

i will argue with everything i see fit. and that was not a flame. that was an expression of my opinion. i will now argue that arguing is arguable.

If you argue with an arguer, that makes you an arguer so the arguer you are arguing with is arguing with an arguer.

Are you on some sort of caffeine rush? Or possibly crack?

Someone said since Sasuke had more total flecks, his Sharingan were in total more powerful.

You said Kakashi's Sharingan was stronger than Sasuke's 2 Sharingan.

Then I said "Yeah, Hobo's right." and then backed it up with a real-world example.

Then you said I was wrong.

p3psi · 2003-12-19, 15:38

sasuke is full of thats sweet sweet uchiha blood, kakashi isnt.

and sooner or later sasuke is going to have that third pupil thingy in his eyes.

Uzumaki626 · 2003-12-19, 18:05

At what points in the anime did sasuke gain the second tick-thingy in his sharingan?

Tboz · 2003-12-19, 18:19

Sasuke had 2 flecks in one eye and 1 fleck in the other when he fought Haku.

He had 2 flecks in both eyes when he fought against Lee before the chuunin exams.

GreyArea · 2003-12-19, 18:24

When fighting Haku, he has one fleck in one eye, and two in the other, then when he fight Rock Lee before the chuunin exam, he has two in each.

Dopeskills · 2003-12-19, 19:07

Ok, I'll tell you guys the real reason Itachi backed off from those fights.

It's just a plot device used by the author to keep us wondering until we see Itachi unleash his true power. I think that's all there is to it. I don't think anyone would want to see Gai and Jiraiya get killed yet.

Sojutsu · 2003-12-19, 21:16

You know you guys are making sharingan out to be the ultimate tool in this anime, but it might be or not you decide.
Narutoguide.com has this:

Secret of the Sharingan, as told by Zabuza:
The Sharingan can neither read minds nor see the future. It is simply a trick that makes an opponent think you can. It's basically an eye technique involving hypnotism and an attention for detail. By using those two abilities together, you can progress from copying the mind to copying the Jutsu. This is the dance that makes it seem like a Sharingan user can see the future.

First, with that keen eye you copy your opponents movements and shake their mind.

Body copying
Once they are confused you are able to figure out what they'll say and can become them.

Mind copying
When their worry and confusion reaches it's peak, you attack with a clever trick. Through hypnotic GenJutsu, you suggest what seal they should preform.

Jutsu copying
Once you know what the seal they are performing, you simply copy it. Using this technique, Kakashi has gained the knowledge of hundreds, possible thousands, of Jutsus.

The Sharingan user's worst opponent would be a TaiJutsu specialist. When reading NinJutsu and GenJutsu, which need Chakra to be raised and Seal(In) to be preformed, you get an advantage through the Sharingan. Although TaiJutsu is a little different. Even if the Sharingan eyes can read movements, their body does not have the speed to react to TaiJutsu. Basically, even if a Sharingan user can see it, if their body can't move, then it's useless. Advanced Taijutsu is the worst possible match up for Sharingan.

Also you underestimate Jiraiya. It been awhile, but i could have sworn that his apprentice was the fourth and his Master was the 3rd. Now to me that seems like a highly creditable combination.

foob · 2003-12-19, 21:41

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Originally Posted by OhJustSomeRandomGuy

Yeah, it's like CPUs. If I have a 2.0 GHz chip, and you have 2 1.5 GHz chips, the 2.0 still owns the 2 chips.

Wrong. I don't know where you get your info, but "owns" really doesn't mean anything here without any explanation.

Examples:
1. Pentium M 1.5 Ghz chip out performs Pentium 4 2.0 Ghz chips in nearly every benchmark. This is because clock speed isn't everything. There are better optimizations in the Pentium M chip.

2. One 2.0 Ghz chip will only perform better than two 1.5 Ghz in certain cases. The only way to measure speed performance is from execution time. And when a program's parallelism is big, two 1.5 Ghz chips will most likely execute the program faster, with a good OS.

3. A person with IQ 180 will not own a person will IQ 100 in every competition. Raw speed/numbers do not always decide who wins.

foob · 2003-12-19, 21:49

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Originally Posted by ChouOishii

I doubt he'd back off if he ran into jiraiya alone in a forest somewhere, but he was in the middle of a village full of hostile jounin facing off with one of the most powerful ninja in the world (as we know it so far) and with tsunade just one really loud explosion/giant animal summoning jutsu away from showing up to see what's going on. we don't know if he could take down jiraiya since all we've seen him do is make kakashi imagine being tortured, but it wasn't the place for him to start a fight

also, I got the feeling he feels bad about killing his whole clan and doesn't really want to do the same thing to the rest of the village, regardless of whether or not he actually could

Wrong, itachi did not face jiraiya in a village full of hostile jounin. He met jiraiya in another town that was not the hidden leaf village. Read chapter 144 again. Also, in the chapter, (about page 9), itachi mentions he wants to kill them and I think he is refering to jiraiya. So it is obvious itachi has doubts whether he can take out jiraiya.

foob · 2003-12-19, 21:52

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Originally Posted by hobobaggins

not to mention that buildings blowing up will attract the attention of other ninja... and Itachi is not so rash as to fight against a whole ninja village.

Read manga chapter 144 again. They are not in the ninja village. They are in another village, and itachi chose to grab naruto then because he believed there won't be other ninjas and because he believed he could deal with jiraiya using his weakness of women. So as you can see, itachi doesn't think he can take jiraiya out with a one on one fight or doesn't think it is worth his life/health...

fenikkusu · 2003-12-19, 23:52

look at the manga... itachi' and his friend r talking n stuff.... basically itachi used alot of chakra using the manga sharingan ... and also hypnotizing that girl ... i dont really think the shark guy is all to strong comparied to jariaya .. he maybe like ,, gai -kakashi level or sumthing... and also itachi didnt' want a confrontation ... and jariaya kinda got the surprize on them a lil bit ... it was juss a stratigic move to back out at that time... its not like he gave up .. its all stratagy..thats all.... it said it all in the manga basically

Hiko Seijuro 14th · 2003-12-20, 00:47

Its pretty hilarious how you think a Taijutsu user will be effective against Itachi.

Itachi is probably the fastest character in the show, so i dont see how Taijutsu is going to be effective against him.

You can say that Gai can open his 8 gates, but do you honestly believe that Itachi hasnt copied the 8 gates manipulation in the past??

Itachi knows more jutsu than anyone is probably the fastest character on the show, the only people that may be stronger than itachi are perhaps the 5 other members of his clan and whoever leads that 7 man gang.

Lost World · 2003-12-20, 01:01

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Originally Posted by Hiko Seijuro 14th

Its pretty hilarious how you think a Taijutsu user will be effective against Itachi.

Itachi is probably the fastest character in the show, so i dont see how Taijutsu is going to be effective against him.

You can say that Gai can open his 8 gates, but do you honestly believe that Itachi hasnt copied the 8 gates manipulation in the past??.

jesus THINK before you speak, please.

Where the HELL would Itachi have learned how to copy the 8 gates technique from? As far as we know, Gai is the ONLY character who would possibly know how to do that.

You seem to think Itachi is some infallible god or something.

Shadamehr · 2003-12-20, 01:38

Umm, supposing Gai were to open 8 gates against Itachi, what would be the point of Itachi countering by also opening 8 gates? Clearly if someone opens all their gates against you, they are planning on sacrificing themselves to take you down. You sacrificing yourself in return is kind of pointless. The best thing to do against someone who has all 8 gates open is to try to get away.

2003-12-19, 15:21	Link #46
hobobaggins だいすきが大好きです！ Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 35	i will argue with everything i see fit. and that was not a flame. that was an expression of my opinion. i will now argue that arguing is arguable. If you argue with an arguer, that makes you an arguer so the arguer you are arguing with is arguing with an arguer.

2003-12-19, 15:38	Link #48
p3psi Oscar winning black actor Join Date: Nov 2003	sasuke is full of thats sweet sweet uchiha blood, kakashi isnt. and sooner or later sasuke is going to have that third pupil thingy in his eyes.

2003-12-19, 18:05	Link #49
Uzumaki626 -=GIF Sennin=- Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Sonoran Desert	At what points in the anime did sasuke gain the second tick-thingy in his sharingan?

2003-12-19, 18:19	Link #50
Tboz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	Sasuke had 2 flecks in one eye and 1 fleck in the other when he fought Haku. He had 2 flecks in both eyes when he fought against Lee before the chuunin exams.

2003-12-19, 18:24	Link #51
GreyArea Meatf***er Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: UK Age: 44	When fighting Haku, he has one fleck in one eye, and two in the other, then when he fight Rock Lee before the chuunin exam, he has two in each.

2003-12-19, 19:07	Link #52
Dopeskills Thigh Master Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Jersey, USA Age: 42	Ok, I'll tell you guys the real reason Itachi backed off from those fights. It's just a plot device used by the author to keep us wondering until we see Itachi unleash his true power. I think that's all there is to it. I don't think anyone would want to see Gai and Jiraiya get killed yet.

2003-12-19, 21:16	Link #53
Sojutsu Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003	You know you guys are making sharingan out to be the ultimate tool in this anime, but it might be or not you decide. Narutoguide.com has this: Secret of the Sharingan, as told by Zabuza: The Sharingan can neither read minds nor see the future. It is simply a trick that makes an opponent think you can. It's basically an eye technique involving hypnotism and an attention for detail. By using those two abilities together, you can progress from copying the mind to copying the Jutsu. This is the dance that makes it seem like a Sharingan user can see the future. First, with that keen eye you copy your opponents movements and shake their mind. Body copying Once they are confused you are able to figure out what they'll say and can become them. Mind copying When their worry and confusion reaches it's peak, you attack with a clever trick. Through hypnotic GenJutsu, you suggest what seal they should preform. Jutsu copying Once you know what the seal they are performing, you simply copy it. Using this technique, Kakashi has gained the knowledge of hundreds, possible thousands, of Jutsus. The Sharingan user's worst opponent would be a TaiJutsu specialist. When reading NinJutsu and GenJutsu, which need Chakra to be raised and Seal(In) to be preformed, you get an advantage through the Sharingan. Although TaiJutsu is a little different. Even if the Sharingan eyes can read movements, their body does not have the speed to react to TaiJutsu. Basically, even if a Sharingan user can see it, if their body can't move, then it's useless. Advanced Taijutsu is the worst possible match up for Sharingan. Also you underestimate Jiraiya. It been awhile, but i could have sworn that his apprentice was the fourth and his Master was the 3rd. Now to me that seems like a highly creditable combination.

2003-12-19, 23:52	Link #57
fenikkusu Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 810 Age: 41	look at the manga... itachi' and his friend r talking n stuff.... basically itachi used alot of chakra using the manga sharingan ... and also hypnotizing that girl ... i dont really think the shark guy is all to strong comparied to jariaya .. he maybe like ,, gai -kakashi level or sumthing... and also itachi didnt' want a confrontation ... and jariaya kinda got the surprize on them a lil bit ... it was juss a stratigic move to back out at that time... its not like he gave up .. its all stratagy..thats all.... it said it all in the manga basically

2003-12-20, 00:47	Link #58
Hiko Seijuro 14th Watashi wa Saikou Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 41	Its pretty hilarious how you think a Taijutsu user will be effective against Itachi. Itachi is probably the fastest character in the show, so i dont see how Taijutsu is going to be effective against him. You can say that Gai can open his 8 gates, but do you honestly believe that Itachi hasnt copied the 8 gates manipulation in the past?? Itachi knows more jutsu than anyone is probably the fastest character on the show, the only people that may be stronger than itachi are perhaps the 5 other members of his clan and whoever leads that 7 man gang.

2003-12-20, 01:38	Link #60
Shadamehr Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003	Umm, supposing Gai were to open 8 gates against Itachi, what would be the point of Itachi countering by also opening 8 gates? Clearly if someone opens all their gates against you, they are planning on sacrificing themselves to take you down. You sacrificing yourself in return is kind of pointless. The best thing to do against someone who has all 8 gates open is to try to get away.