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So was Char a lapdog to Amuro because they fought together in Zeta? Shinn was fighting in Destiny to protect his friends and his home nation. Seeing as how Kira's lover is now holding an important position in Shinn's home nation, chances are Kira is fighting for that same thing, and their ideals won't be conflicting in the future, because of that. Quote:
The reason he stayed fighting for ZAFT as he states numerous times like before the Minerva Team killed Djibril, was to protect Lunamaria, the Minerva, and the PLANTs. So is Shinn some obedient puppet because he wanted to protect his friends? He was even shown to be uncertain about the Destiny Plan, and didn't think it was a good idea, but he allowed his friendship with Rey to keep him around, because Shinn trusted Rey. Quote:
How did Shinn cause the demise of Destiny? The series was excellent for a long, long time. It was only at the very end(last 5 episodes), when Kira came in and stole the spotlight, that the show started sucking. When Shinn was the main character we got great episodes like the fight in Episode 28, the Stellar plotline(inspired by Zeta, yes, but still great), the battle onf Heaven's Base, Shinn's terrible feelings when he thought he had killed Athrun, his resolve to protect his friends even though he was growing increasingly uncertain about the Chairman's ideals. How can you even say that Shinn had no development and that he caused the series demise? Its pretty clear that Kira is responsible for the demise, since the show didn't become bad until Kira stole the spotlight from Shinn at the last moment. |
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2006-02-07, 17:33 | Link #582 |
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How is a Shinn a lap dog to Kira? He just shook hands with him and said they'd fight together in the future.
So was Char a lapdog to Amuro because they fought together in Zeta? Shinn was fighting in Destiny to protect his friends and his home nation. Seeing as how Kira's lover is now holding an important position in Shinn's home nation, chances are Kira is fighting for that same thing, and their ideals won't be conflicting in the future, because of that. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// I will answer your question. many shinn fans are angry at the fact that the way it was done was extremely forced. shinn got virtually no development in the series and in the last original episode he doesnt even get closure. now they have this final plus in which shinn apparently forgets all the things kira did to him and many feel its a cop out. i mean kira didnt even apologize for some of his actions which makes me not like him. kira attacks minerva, kills stellar, and is basocally against shinn throughout the series. (or as the writers attempted to portray). there wasnt even a final battle between the two (even though shinn is supposed to be the main character). many fans are just angry because it was BADLLY DONE and did nothing to correct the mistakes of the second half of seed destiny. Kira came off as an untouchable god and shinn who had this attitude that starkly contrasted kira is suddenly shaking hands with him? that comes off to me as unrealistic as reys last episode turnaround. these wroiters need to read manga if they are ever gonna get a clue on character development. and to those who say shinn was the sole reason that caused gsd to fail. umm that cant be since he barly got any screen time throughout the series. hell his mobile suit destinly only has three animation moves!!!!!! |
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And no, I'm not saying he's the sole reason that GSD failed, because I don't think so at all. In fact, all the animes I've watched (minus a few) have been entertaining to some degree, which makes it a success in my view. GSD just happens to be one of them. |
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KuwabaraTheMan you seem like a Shinn-supporter so I'll go easy on you...It has been said before but if you look at it just academically for all intents and purposes Shinn's character's importance ends in ep 35 after the end of FREEDOM...His characters' impact on the plot and story has little to no importance at all following that (His actions no longer drive the story, he just serves as a pawn for the rest of the series)...and as stated plenty of times, the final episode (Original and Final plus) disgraced the hell out of his character and piloting skills...Only Kira fans or fence-sitters approve of that character-raping that takes place in the Final plus (I have yet to hear ONE Shinn-fan or supporter be content with this)...
To be even more upfront about this DESTINY not getting the final pose in the last theme, being sandwiched behind Rey's a$$ in the endtheme with Kira and Athrun doing the polka at the top of the screen with their mechs, and Shinn having his face smooshed behind Kira's in the open theme were the harbinger of Shinn being tossed away as a main character...You are one of the few people I've heard that may not be considering all that I've discussed...
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I believe Sunrise production team can't create good series within 50 epis.
It was slow at begining so we could adapt the progression but last ten episodes were rushed as if Sunrise went into bankruptcy. I believe GSD start to fell apart at episode 32 or 33. Up until 32 or 33 GSD did fine considering 17 epis are left. But considering nothing happened afterwards so here are disappoinments that nothingness brought. 1. Steller, Auel, and Sting never developed as characters and as pilots. If they improved as Shinn and Rey did, they would have fought very well and brought entertainment. 2. Steller being a sister figure to Shinn. Steller could have converse with Shinn such as "I was kidnapped," "Went to severe training," and "I like you as my ani-ue-sama." If they conversed like this, we would go "SO SAD!" When she dies and would not think "Shinn did not talked to her that much so why would he go so crazy over her." 3. Lunamaria's sudden change of her taste. She was hot and liked Athrun as if he was next door neighbor and she suddenly fall in love with Shinn. This pairing is worst than any pairing. The reason is that Shinn was the killer of Meyrin and he says "I will protect you no matter what." What is he saying!? I mean I would just kill my best friend if he killed my own sister! If Luna first said "Shinn ai shiteruyo," than Shinn and she developed close frieendship it would have seemed like a plot not a joke that is not funny. 4. Shinn's uncertainty. He was manipulated with ease all the way to the end of GSD. Where is story when he goes "I am really sure," than goes "Let me think it over." But Rey just blad something and he is back to square one. If Shinn did something that was his own reasoning, than the story would seem to have a twist. 5. Suddent 100M rash from 20KM marathon. The story would have been much smoother if there were no recaps at last 10 episodes. I mean at 41st epi there were two recaps than suddenly two more recap are shown. The last battle should have lasted at most two more episodes! We only saw Luna battling about 20 seconds. Are producers sure Luna is an elite?! The battle is some hightlites of mecha series and Sunrise blew it. |
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monstert stop being such a stick in the mud (Although it's hard to get mad at you cause your so Yamato-ish )...
GSD contrived so many other things they could have easily contrived this too...I'm not being totally literal here...Obviously the scene would have to be rewritten a bit...and like I said Shinn wasn't going to just do it, he would've waited a bit...In other words just go with it instead of finding fault with it...
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2006-02-08, 15:07 | Link #594 | ||
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As for Final Plus, I enjoyed the epilogue. Shinn's discussion about his feelings on Orb felt completely in character and in line with how he had been characterized in the series. I wish we had seen more with him, and there had been more stuff with him, and that they had changed it so that he beat Athrun instead of losing, but I thought the epilogue itself stayed true to Shinn's character. Quote:
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Shin ran circles around SF with his beam rifle after his AS sword was disarmed by SF. So he coulda done it.... except didnt Athrun slice through both his arms? its been awhile and I have only the vaguest recollection of most events from GSD.
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...anyways, just leave me alone...I'm tired of having to ying every yang with you...
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Those characters aren't just there for mere entertainment. They weren't there just because they were random cannon fodder that could go totally useless at a flick of Fukuda's magic wand, but it happened. Given their expertise, they were lots better than the original druggie trio that they didn't need much maintenance but they didn't do much against the Coordinators. Hell, the original druggie trio actually made Athrun and Kira helpless... They had character, for all the many episodes they were in (yes, they were sadly degenerated to filler characters), much more than the original cast. Stellar wasn't just a 5 year old trapped in a girl's body; it was clear that she was as normal as you and I are, just sucks that she only gets to speak third person sentences. She has hopes, she has dreams, and she has emotions. She did everything for her Neo sama, and she did this all without faltering in her belief that Neo was everything for her. She believed that Shinn would protect her. She knew that Auel and Sting were there for her. Sting acted like a big brother to the both of them. Auel was overly protective of Stellar, and he could be a bit annoying at times, but that was part of his charms. Who could say that they weren't developed? But since they were going against the GODLY main cast... Quote:
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you fail to notice 2 things 1. shinn wasn't aloud to defeat kira and athrun 2. the old cast achivments in the last 11 episodes where due to plot devices rather than their actual skills and that's what fukuda was counting on. |
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