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2010-04-26, 16:56 | Link #6962 | |
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On the other hand, if you do care about human rights in Latin America, we have a pretty good example of an ineffective approach to achieving that in the foreign policy of the United States of America over the past hundred and fifty years. |
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2010-04-26, 17:08 | Link #6963 | |
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"Some people whose shit we fucked up got better, so what are you complaining about?" |
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2010-04-26, 23:05 | Link #6965 | |
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Personally, I have been in two such situations: 1) Once when I went to get lunch at a McDonalds, I saw a poorly dressed man laying down outside at the bottom of the wheelchair ramp, with his bagged food scattered about him, obviously unconscious and possibly dead. Since I work in a hospital area, there were quite a few people dressed in scrubs standing around conversing with each other, apparently not paying any attention to him. Since the trained medical personnel ignored him, and I myself having no such training and assuming that somebody had already called 911, I just went to get my lunch. When I got out a cop car and an ambulance had arrived. 2) On the way to work, at the #7 subway terminal in Flushing. An Asian guy was sitting on the floor, his head tilted back against the seat, his mouth wide open. Judging from the position of his body, it's possible that it slid off the seat in a rigid position. The MTA workers were unable to wake him, so it is possible he was in a very deep sleep, or dead. The other passengers and I just glanced at them with morbid fascination, until we got the notice that the train was being taken out of service (obviously due to this grotesque scene). |
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2010-04-27, 05:06 | Link #6966 |
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http://cosmicnavellint.blogspot.com/...-tim-wise.html
A interesting reading.
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2010-04-27, 06:39 | Link #6967 | |
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In another case over here, a woman fell into the Singapore River and had foreign nationals who had no training in CPR save her, bystanders galore. Even a side editorial claimed that "people don't know what to do at that moment"....I think it is more of "people don't know what to do in order not to risk their lives at that moment". The decadence of the society is judged by how much an individual in it views the value of their life as compared to the similar members in the same society. It is the fear of death, rather than the "idea of self-preservation", that drives this individuals to just stand and watch. Granted if there is no case of physical violence, it would be better to enlist the help of nearby security (mall security, etc) to break up the "elements of public nuisance" (an indirect way of asking them to STFU and take your damn shit home and out of the public), but if there is physical harm attempted or caused, why not step in? Keep in mind that nobody's life is worth anything. Since your death won't make a difference in this world, why not step in with your worthless life and do something to change that situation?
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2010-04-27, 07:37 | Link #6968 | |
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Also, there's a big flaw in your thinking there. If nobody's life is worth anything to society as a whole, why should I risk my life, which has value to myself, to save the life of someone else who is both worthless to me and to society as a whole? This next bit isn't directed at you, just speaking in general. Everyone talks about society today being decadent, but I don't really see it. We aren't generally executing people in large numbers for public spectacle these days.
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2010-04-27, 07:40 | Link #6969 | |
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You can argue with me, but it's one of those things that you have to go through before you realize how you should of see it another way. On the other hand, my point was that at one point, one of the retard in the video HAD HIS PHONE OUT, calling 911 for a homeless person is not a crime anywhere in this world, SPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE A PERSON LYING ON TOP OF A POOL OF BLOOD. You don't take picture of the blood when you have the f***in phone out, you call 911 <.<
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2010-04-27, 07:59 | Link #6970 | |||
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True to the fact that the value of a life is set by a personal perspective, it doesn't give us the right to say "your life is worth much less than mine". Since nobody is invincible, and our mortality dictates that we can't take away anything from our life past death, that overall puts a zero-sum game into whatever one does in life right? As we live, everything corresponds to the Nash Equilibrium. It is our actions that dictates whether we "win or lose" in life (where in actuality there is no winning or losing), thus the saying "think before you act". Whether it is thinking laterally, literally, with respect to the emotional and physical issues of another person, corresponding to the time, personal capability, etc, it is another issue. My conclusion (not necessarily yours) : F*** all of the above. Do first, talk later. And use your conscience and your head (no more, no less) to cover your ass in case someone accuses you of being the "bad guy". Quote:
The idea of decadent comes from the word "decade" which means that the thinking is backward. Since the modern thinking of the society dictates a NMFP (Not My F***ing Problem) mentality in general, it is ironic that such a train of thought pervades back a millennium where we are still cannibalistic cavemen*, and the lack of empathy for each other then stemmed and built a individualistic form of survivalism rather than a mutually-cohesive form of it. In short, I am quoting political correctedness and branding it as a form of hypocrisy with regards to general behaviour. * - alliteration in the sentence within overall sarcasm unintended. Don't negrep me. Quote:
But how much trouble can you get into? At least it won't impede on what little conscience you possess, nor would it make it tough for you upon realisation due to your lack of intelligence at that point of time and age to understand the magnitude of the situation.
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2010-04-27, 08:13 | Link #6971 |
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Yes you're right. US reponsability is to promote their interest in South America by putting dictator at the head of their states and killed million and million of people just for the sake of their own industry. In fact, the USA are responsible for most of the problem that South America has/had. And that since well since the Roosevelt corollary
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2010-04-27, 12:33 | Link #6972 |
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Noah's Ark possibly found?
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...turkey-arafat/ Fox News, but there's other news sites reporting it too, I picked this one as it doesn't have a mock-up of the ark as a picture. |
2010-04-27, 12:34 | Link #6973 | |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_552572.html
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I think I get what you're saying, sort of, but gods do you express it clumsily. I don't really agree with you, anyway. Worth is relative, not something you, SaintlessHeart, can decree for anyone but yourself. My life's worth a lot to me. That of strangers? Not so much. Just like I know my life's worth squat to more than 7 billions people on Earth, and more to only a handful. It's not about right or wrong. It's a fact of life. Quote:
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2010-04-27, 14:00 | Link #6975 | |
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Well that is just my two-cents. Up to you to decide which basic form of ethics you want to use, or just throw the whole pie out of the window.
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Maybe 25 is too small a statistic until someone comes along and called 911. Maybe if we left the body a little while longer, until probably 100-200 people came by, there might be someone who calls. But out of that statistic, maybe none will because throwing 10 coins can have the possibility of them landing in all tails and no heads. As long as there is a chance of something like that happening, it will occur. And this is only a single situation.
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2010-04-27, 14:17 | Link #6976 |
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this was on the news yesterday, a couple of robbers threw a pregnant women out of the window.
on a morning a couple of people forced themself into a house, while a man and women are sleeping. the man wakes up first by the sound and immediately jumps out the window leaving his pregnant wife alone, then the robbers reach the room she's in and throw her out of the window. 1: what kind of a dick, leaves his pregnant wife alone when there are people forcing their way into you house. 2:what kind of fucks, throw a pregnant women out of the window.
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2010-04-27, 14:40 | Link #6977 |
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@Ahn-Min: I read the article you linked and it was interesting (though I'm not sure I agree with it) but I did find one line to be quite funny.
"As long as everybody gets their own bananas and shares with the few in their Monkeysphere, the system will thrive even though nobody is even trying to make the system thrive. This is perhaps how Ayn Rand would have put it, had she not been such a hateful bitch." Well said. Although, it is kind of a contradiction (even if he was just being witty) because he did the same thing he decries in the article by trying to simplify Ayn Rand into a 2d character. Good little read though, thanks.
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2010-04-27, 15:07 | Link #6978 | |
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I saw this new story yesterday on CNN, where some retarded psychologist tried to explain how society is so desensitized to violence because of games and movies that people don't know how to react when it happens in real life. Bull crap...it's just a lack of knowledge of what to do in fucked up situations. Did you know that one of the reasons why heart attacks are so fatal is because most bystanders don't know CPR? The survival rate for heart attack victims who receive CPR while paramedics are en route versus those who gawk is significant. When people complain that people are sheep this is exactly one of the reasons why. Compassion doesn't mean you have to have a bleeding heart, just a helping hand. Helping an old lady across the street, for example. Just one kind act goes a long way. And while I laughed at the wit in the monkeysphere article, I have to also laugh at how the author unintentionally writes it exactly as he portrays it; assuming that everyone is like the people he portrays. Sorry, not everyone is so uncaring. If I had seen that man on the street, I would have called 911 as soon as possible. Sure, you have to be careful. Stopping to pick up hitchhikers and helping strangers who have "car trouble" is dangerous. It's not dangerous to make a call to professionals who are trained to handle those situations however. Being a good citizen doesn't mean you have to be a hero, you just have to use the phone to call 911 instead of taking a picture. The best reason why...is that instead of some homeless guy, it could be you lying there bleeding after saving someone's life while people ignore you in your final moments. What if the homeless man had done nothing as well? There would be a dead woman lying there for an hour instead. At least his final act was a demonstration of how one worthless life saved another. It's just a shame that his own death could have been prevented by those worthless lives who walked right past. I bet at the very least, that woman is thankful.
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2010-04-27, 15:39 | Link #6980 | |
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People "discover" Noah's Ark every few years..... with virtually nothing to back it up. The best single piece of evidence of any regional "flood" is some geological evidence that the Mediterranean/Black Sea area had a glacial dam break overflow it some time shortly after the agricultural age started (http://www.christiananswers.net/q-crs/crs-blacksea.html) (rather like the one that happened in the US Northwest Pacific about 15000 years ago that Indian tribal legends mention and the local geologic evidence supports - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missoula_Floods).
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