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Originally Posted by irvinethearcher
miria started fresh from academy at 18(17 ranks above roxanne!!!)! despite miria trained for 7 years in a way that even deadlast yuma could improve at the level of a number 14 and her half-awakening miria is probably still inferior to a number one like rafaella who fights with yoki. Remember that clare had to use her qs to beat rafaela who was still yokiless.
I don't want to prove anything because i know i can't but a nr. 35 can not become a number one with training and techniques alone. IMPOSSIBLE. Look what rafaella did to clare's windcutter. there is something really odd with roxanne going on here.
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16 actually, I got the number wrong
, but you're speculating that Miria first rank was 17. This was never clarified. The point here being someone besides Clare has achieved power about on par to a number one. You can disagree all you want but many thing hint that Miria maybe equal to a number 1 yet nothing proves nor indicates Miria isn't about there.
As to Raphaela her yoki may have been released at the time, since Clare could sense it. Ergo 0% Clare may have been facing 9.998% Raphaela, further more nothing proves Miria is equal to Clare... all we know is that Miria decided that Clare's arm was good enough to wonder in area's with active org warriors and likely survive.
Look I agree there is something odd about Roxanne but nothing proves she gaining power via a yoki link. All we know is she can learn ability from it and some how blind opponents to her yoki. That is a far cry from leaching yoki and that kinda power isn't sustainable she'd eventually run out of leached power unless she somehow has found away to also produce that amount of yoki on her own. If her power drained as a result of no longer being able to leach power she never would have been considered one of the eight strongest number ones of all time.
Think of it like this she would have to absorb dozens of lower rankers to sustain her power, which she held to her death. Yet her ability only lets her target one at a time according to what we know. Therefore her only gaining power from yoki theft is impossible based on her strength at the end of her life.
You're using several other theories about Raphaela's power and linking Miria to her in an unknown way, yet worse still you haven't even thought your own argument to it's logical conclusion. The closest thing I can think of to make your theory work is if she via aligning her yoki with the target she makes her body copy every last detail of it and the yoma inside permanently, thereby making her transform into her target on some level but never siphoning power from the target since that kinda ability is unsustainable, yet Roxanne apparently did.
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Originally Posted by Gooral
I agree and good point about Raphaela. Clare was clearly better than Miria in their duel so Miria would stand no chance against Raphy unless she would release her youki just like she did with Hysteria. And BTW, we don't really know Miria is of #1 level yet. Defeating a bunch of warriors is something Ophelia (who BTW was leagues above Miria pre-time skip which Miria herself has stated) could easily do. With twins Miria struggled (and while she could probably kill one of them if they weren't awakened I doubt she would be able to kill two of them since the other would sure go all out then). The definitive proof will be her fight with Hysteria and whether she can make her use her youki or not. And if Hysteria uses her youki whether there will be a difference or not. Personally I think it would suck if Miria would win against Hysteria but the way Yagi is directing things it seems I'll be in a bad mood next chapter.
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How so? It's a fallacy argument... he failed to connect any of the people in question in terms of power...
As to Clare being better than Miria that's pure opinion... Miria never went all out and neither did Clare. Miria stopped when she felt Clare was satisfactory to risk such an endeavor, not cause she won or could have.
Look I'm not saying Miria is a Number One I'm just saying she close enough based on how little we know about how strong they really where. Point is given enough time anyone can achieve a level of power that irvinethearcher is claiming is impossible. Yuma being greater proof she's risen about as many ranks as Roxanne has.
Next off we have the issue of how long it takes to train without yoki vs power gained in combat with yoki. They might not be equal... Deneve's and Miria's power between there first mission with Clare and Pieta clearly implies both got a lot stronger in a short time. Deneve was kicking AB ass up till the end of Pieta and not being fodder like she was in her first hunt with Clare and Miria used phantom at least as as many times as she did when we first meet her though out that battle and recovered far quicker. That time jump was months at tops... not years.
I see no reason why Roxanne's power gain is impossible... the only reasons why most others fail to mimic is is the org preferring warriors to die "midlength" and them making training more trail by fire then actual training.
Miria struggle with the twins was the fact that she couldn't not only just cut them to KO them since they risked awakening if the other lost control. Miria reacted more to the other twin struggling too after chopping off the first twins arm, then to the arm's loss itself. Riful on the other hand would have saw that as her opening. In other words Miria was at a loss of what to do and prolonging the fight way longer than she needed to... it in no way proves how weak she was yoki wise, only her lack of conviction to carry out her goal if it risked there lives. The last we really know of Miria vs Ophelia is that Miria was far weaker than Ophelia at rank 8 but by the time of Clare's first AB hunt Miria might have narrowed that gap a bit, and who knows by the time Pieta came along, she was able to match speeds with Rigardo for crying out loud and he was far superior to Ophelia. Ophelia was also a visual attacker, against Phantom she might be all but defenseless ability wise (not skill) once the gap in there powers narrows.
As to Hysteria she was stated to be an above normal number one... losing to her would not disprove the fact that Miria might be a normal number one.
Edit: sorry for the lazy english but I was typing and eating at the same time
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