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I think it actually varies with every person. Self-interest is a part of everyone for sure, but it's also balanced to a greater or less degree by altruism (dependent on the individual, the personality). |
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Isn't this human nature? After all, we are the only "smart-enough" ones who even think about religion. |
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Since when saying something is in our nature was an all encompassing excuse that suddenly justified any trait someone or something might have. If nature has made us a certain way, and we have acknowledged that that certain way is more limiting than otherwise, then we can go against it and that is it. Saying something is 'only natural' is not the equivalent of saying it is inevitable or consequently good you know.
Which is the case in the topic at hand. True, it is only natural that humans would develop anthropomorphic religions. But this does not means that just because it's natural it's something laudable or the limit of what our philosophical abilities can strive for.
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If we're evidently the only ones who think about religion, isn't that enough proof that it is(absolutely) only for us? |
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As to how this is relative, Dawkins postulates that altruism spawned from something else, and that even altruism has a bit of selfishness inherent within it. However, if we lived according only to our genes, then we would be completely selfish, and so altruism must emerge from our relations with the world and the other people in it. I personally extrapolate on that to suggest that we must, as humans in this world, be altruistic in some fashion. To not be, is to have a weakened foothold within our current situation. @ everyone involved: I'm officially abandoning the mathematical comparison I created to attempt to show that two things can be positive, while one is a greater positive than the other. Over time, it seems to have caused more confusion, or random offshoot, and so was probably an ill-conceived metaphor. I, again, simply wanted to try and show that two things can be positive, with one being a greater positive than the other. Remember that all of this is relative; if you look from the viewpoint of the greater positive, you will see only negative numbers behind you. That does not mean those numbers are negative, just that they are negative from where you are. Quote:
And again, as I've stated so many times, everything in this metaphor is a matter of relative perspective. If you stand on the 8 (or whatever number), and look to your left, you will see only negative numbers. If you stand on the 3 (or whatever number), and look to your right, you will see only positive numbers. However, if you stand back from it all, and look at the picture as a whole, you will see all of the numbers. While it is certainly true that 3 is less than 8, and so 3 does not have as dramatic effect as 8, that does not make 3 a negative number from the point of view of a person on the outside of the system. It only makes 3 a negative number from the point of view of the 8. That's about all I'll say about all of this, as I've chosen to abandon this metaphor. It seems that it was ill-conceived, or ill-received, or whatever, as it's been nothing but a dredge since its inclusion on this thread. Please consider the matter dissolved.
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You are structuring your questions such that any possible answer that can be given to that question serves your purposes. Therefore, it is a logical fallacy, and disingenious sophism on your part. So yes, it is wrong. Shove off.
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Petitio principii. Where does this "natural tendency" come from? I have lessons coming up, so I can't continue this for now. |
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The natural tendency of behavior of humanity. In a sense, planes are natural, houses are natural, and computers are natural. |
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Natural - in accordance with nature; relating to or concerning to nature. Why is tendency natural? I have to say, its quite hard to logically explain that. Tendencies are natural because they are. Its similar to questions such as, "Why are we created with faces?", "Why are we on Earth instead of other possible planets that supports our type of life form?" Of course, you could answer this with "tendency" or "faith". But to explain how tendency is natural, I don't know. |
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