2011-11-21, 01:39 | Link #2481 | |
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AMF may just be taking "decrease" magic and applying it to an area with a field, as opposed to a single spell. As mentioned, theoretically a mage could create an AM Field, but he'd be unable to perform magic inside of it, and any allies would be likewise hindered. It might be possible to stay outside of such a field while creating it, though -- in fact, that's what the Liese Twins' Crystal Cage allegedly did with Nanoha and Fate. It wasn't a complete anti-magilink effect like in the Cradle, because they eventually broke free on their own, but it still slowed them down. However, the Liese Twins' had to use a prepared, dedicated, one-shot Spell Device (the card) in order to cast spells like that, and Field Mages are rare. Only Yuuno and Shamal have shown the mastery of Field magic that might let them cast an AMF. I mean, the TSAB guys had to work together to create a field the size of which Yuuno managed on his own. |
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2011-11-21, 12:12 | Link #2484 | |
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It's still an apparently supernatural force, tough. You can call it chii, ki, aura, oversoul, yoki/demonic energy, mutant power, celular energy, phychic, lifeforce, etc... but FORCE already dropped "magic" as an answer for that. In regards to Chrono and the Lieze Twins i'll go with what Tiresias posted, they casted spells with effects similar to the AMF but in all cases the caster is at good distance from the center and radius of the spell while an AMF-caster must be right in the middle of the thing to make it work properly bringing with that the aformentioned hypotetical conditions and restrictions necessary to use such a tricky "spell".
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2011-11-21, 14:57 | Link #2485 |
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So a AMF always stops all forms of magic without discrimination ?
You can stop things like lights and radio waves completely or just partially. Can`t you go disrupting only particular spells or spellcasters ?
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2011-11-21, 15:33 | Link #2486 |
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The trick with that is that it creates holes in your defense. Holes that enemies wielding advanced AI computer weapons can easily take advantage off. And with Belkans having the advantage that even without magic they still had weapons perfectly capable of killing their enemies, the choice would be obvious. AMF was designed to counter more conventional mages, such as Mid style, who would be rendered helpless to the physical attacks of the Belkans without their magic.
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2011-11-21, 16:53 | Link #2487 |
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Of course, Garea/Gallia apparently responded with the Marriage, who not only completely avoided that problem, but could also be made from the corpses of Belkan soldiers as easily as Garea citizens.
The Bible of the Silver Cross might have been the invention of another empire; how about the Dalgryn? |
2011-11-21, 17:04 | Link #2488 | |
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So, in escence, every Eclipse Driver equiped with a Divider/Book/Strosek combo is in theory as powerfull/Dangerous as the Master of the Book of Darkness itself(possibly even stronger taking into account their tremendous advantage over magic itself), which is probably one of the objetives of the project as also the reason for the cameo of Reinforce Eins at the beginning of FORCE and the glaringly obvious similitudes between her and the Stroseks. No wonder why Tohma and Curren kicked butts left and right with such ease.
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2011-11-21, 18:15 | Link #2489 |
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Perhaps the maiming of the Tome of the Night Sky into the Book of Darkness was a deliberate prototype for the Bible of the Silver Cross, committed by a defector from Belka?
I get the impression that the Book and Wolkenritter kept turning up in the Belkan Empire and menacing their own country. |
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I don't think so, considering every appearance of the Book of Darkness ended with the destruction of a world i doubt they got many chances of terrorizing the same "country", however, it's not unlikely the Book and the Wolkenritter had menaced various planets within the territory of the Belkan Empire.
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If a country can exist across boundaries of water to include seperate landmasses, a country can exist across boundaries of space to include seperate planets or star systems. |
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2011-11-22, 10:44 | Link #2493 |
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The Book itself don't have a voice in the descicion it's an automatic thing of the defense program, the Book can't decide to "not explode this time". Of course, if some of the Belkans found a way to banish the book to another world before the explosion it's another matter entirely.
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2011-11-22, 11:49 | Link #2494 |
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It was that, or Arc en Ciel the thing. But absorbing of the master and going boom was a fact repeated several times in A's and the manga's.
Reinforce could choose what master would be the next master, but she could not halt the berserk program any more than a broken computer can fix itself. And it's even worse than that line makes it seem, becayse even after Hayate pulled Reinforce from the cycle... by her very nature she would generate another repair program and start the cycle all over again. |
2011-11-22, 12:15 | Link #2495 |
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I remember that the Book goes on a rampage and probably self-restricts when it can't rampage any more. I was asking where the series tells us the Book could destroy a whole planet.
You have a point that the Arc-en-Ciel's city destroying collateral damage was considered less heinous, but that might have been compared to losing several cities or just a chunk of the island, rather than even half of the planet, let alone the whole thing. BTW, anyone else flashing to BlazBlue's Black Beast? Maybe the energy the Huckebein run on is Seithr? It's just as powerful, versatile, and poisonous. |
2011-11-22, 12:27 | Link #2496 |
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How that works, Reinforce choose the master before the travel? or it firsts go to the new world and then she chooses someone? What's the criteria for the selection? I asked this because it's pretty rare to choose Hayate if Reinforce can choose the master, as for what i know, Reinforce, unlike the Wolkenritter, is fully counscious of the unavoidable destiny of the master which makes even stranger that she chooses someone she actually likes and comdemn her to an impending doom. Of course, there's also Graham and whatever method he used to manipulate the selection xDU.
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Graham didn't manipulate nothing, he just found out Hayate was the master before anyone else. |
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2011-11-22, 16:23 | Link #2498 | |
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Unless it wasn't so much a matter of "trying", with the idea that someone might finally reach the controls before the Defense Program took over... Are you suggesting that the Book was so tired of seeing her Knights abused that she was willing to condemn a little girl to be killed by the Defense Program? |
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