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And yes you aren't a chemistry expert, neither am I but I do know for a fact that ocean vessels are not designed to be less dense than water, instead they are designed to displace a certain volume of water which has a mass greater than the mass of the ship itself and ship designers design ships to tolerate within a certain +/- ocean water density unit. So of Methyl hydrate causes the density of the water to become lower than its normal, then ships which are designed to displace a fixed volume of water will sink as they can't suddenly change shape and displace more volume of water to compensate for the loss in water density. |
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As for that bull about the families. How many people have died in this anime now? ON just the Britannian side for sake of argument? A lot more than that was killed din that battle let me tell you. If you are going to use that, then you really are looking too deeply into this and only because of personal bias against Suzaku. But hey, if you want to play that way, Lelouch is a bigger scum bag for getting all those defenseless Japanese killed because he couldn't shut his big fat mouth when he accidentally Geassed Euphie, THEN manipulates it so that she did it on her own, and then after doing that, practically abandons them to rescue his sister. Quote:
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2008-06-23, 16:27 | Link #1943 | |
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2008-06-23, 16:29 | Link #1944 | |
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And you're deliberately ignoring several points: that the trap wouldn't have worked in reality as shown in the anime anyway, and that he wouldn't have been in a position to take command anyway. Fighter pilots don't out rank captains or admirals, no matter where you go. |
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2008-06-23, 16:33 | Link #1945 | |
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2008-06-23, 16:34 | Link #1946 | |
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2008-06-23, 16:35 | Link #1947 | ||
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Also, I consider that since Cornelia was fighting on a mountain, that a landslide would, you know, be in the plans too if you think methane bubble attacks should be. Quote:
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2008-06-23, 16:45 | Link #1948 |
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One would think that they'd be careful of where they fight the Black Knights at, though. Zero does seem to like using the lay of the land to his advantage. Also, (granted could not be accurate) according to Wikipedia, the Knights of Rounds operate outside of usual military jurisdiction, sort of like FAITH in GSD. That COULD explain why he was there, but more likely they had him there because of his experience in fighting against the Black Knights.
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On land, though, water tables such as the mountain terrain would likely be included in various military maps, because the terrain stability can effect the types of equipment which can be used. But, and here's a kicker for you, there are freak incidents that you do not go out of your way to prepare for. The Yellowstone Volcano could blow up at any time, but no one goes around acting if will do so today. There could be an earthquake almost anywhere at any time. Lighting could strike Airforce One. A meteorite could sneak past observatories and turn Baghdad into a crater. But no one goes around planning around such freak occurances, |
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2008-06-23, 18:04 | Link #1950 |
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Also, because I'm sure every naval commander in Code Geass and the real world routinely checks for methane bubbles. And large rogue patches of seaweed. And dormant volacanos that might be active again. And mutated killer dolphins. Since we know of course that no one would fall for that methane bubble trick except Suzuku.
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2008-06-23, 18:14 | Link #1951 |
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Do I detect a hint of sarcasm in that post?
Fool! Only an idiot would ignore the threat that a dormant volcano could have on seaweed groups in order to trigger the attack of the mutant dolphin assassins! |
2008-06-23, 18:26 | Link #1952 |
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It is true that underwater methane can capsize a warship in real life, and many scientists speculate that this may be the reason behind stories like the Bermuda Triangle (which was probably the inspiration for the writers).
But, to capsize a huge war fleet of that size would mean that there needs to be TREMENDOUS amounts of methane released, much more so than what is currently leaked underwater in our world today, including the ones under the Mid-Atlantic ridge. But, then again, real life technology doesn't have underwater methane processing plants. Who knows, it's just a fictional story, with heavy emphasis on the fiction. Let it rest. |
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2008-06-23, 19:09 | Link #1954 |
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Speaking of Lulu's tactic that brought down the fleet that was with Suzaku at the time, was not the same trick done in one of Zoids Guardian Force episodes. Except it was to get the DeathStinger of the back of the Ultrasaurus.
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2008-06-23, 19:10 | Link #1955 |
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Personally I never thought less of the Methane Bubbles tactic. A hollow box made of steel could still fly if you filled it up with helium, it would just have to be a really, really big cube of steel with a lot of area on the inside.
If you had enough methane bubble up to the surface of the ocean over a large area at one time it could cause difficulties for ships. Would it happen in real life? Probably not. But in Code Geass they have enormous deposits of Methane that, if disturbed, could disrupt a fleet of ships. That's how I look at it anyhow.
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Exactly. The part I'm trying to argue is that Suzuku is not an idiot for not anticipating a methane gas eruption. How many people seriously worry about methane gas eruption while in the ocean? How many people in Suzuku's positions, or in any naval command posistion would anticipate something like that?
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I don't see how anyone could call Suzaku in to question. You can't predict a volcano erupting, I don't think you can predict that your naval fleet will be taken out by a swarm of methane bubbles. Anyone who says otherwise, dunno what to say.
There are a few people who have denied the possibility of Lulu's attack being even plausible.
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2008-06-23, 21:14 | Link #1960 |
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Lelouch has a history of using unorthodox battle methods by using the terrain in that manner, and the Britannians should be looking out for that type of strategy. To beat your enemies, you have to know what your enemy is capable of.
But, Suzaku shouldn't be reprimanded for not preparing for such an unnatural event. If anything, people should be questioning how Lelouch pulled a map of the sea out of his ass and knew about some random underwater methane processing factory/storage that just happened to be directly under the Britannian fleet. |
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