The funniest thing about me being banned was I didn't even visit this site during the entire time that I was banned. I didn't even know that I was banned until the ban was over because I have a fcuking life unlike some people.
With that said, a few things.
First, and I have said this plenty of times before .. 95% of the bullshit written here other than quoting databook statistics is conjecture. We all speculate. We all have our theories. How many times have people here said that they don't share their own theories because assholes here gang up on them? I could care less as I'm here to share my thoughts with people who like myself enjoy trying to figure shit out. I don't really care much for narrow minded and pedantic story jocks who feel as though they are somehow worthy of weighing the value of my theories and opinions. I'm sure they take this shit much more seriously than I do so let them have their 30 pieces of silver.
Next, there is no doubt whatsoever that the Uchiha do in fact open rifts. Kakashi does it. Madara does it in order to teleport(that's what teleportation is). That was how my theory was born. Its very simple. Yet James and a few others have taken exception without actually providing anything(and we call all go back and look at the so-called refuting evidence) that does in fact dispel my theory.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Madara was THEE FIRST Uchiha to achieve the MS, no? So we can count on one hand how many people have been able to use any MS skills, no? So if by counting from Madara on we have seen how many people use any of the known MS abilities before Itachi's death? Or maybe the databook has claimed that was a coincidence? Not one person has EVER demonstrated any one of the known 3 MS abilities before Itachi or until his death. Why is that? Is that over complicating anything?
And then if that wasn't enough, Itachi bestows power through mere contact. How does one bestow a black fire that burns for seven days? Where does the recipient keep it? In his back pocket? In his ninja underoos? Give me a break. There's clearly a method to "seal" power and ethereal objects in characters, but some people rely on semantics to argue the fcuking point. Dimension ..other world .. pocket space/dimension .. its pretty much all the same shit. Anyone who argues with this .. without just cause to .. is just plain miserable or really fcuking bored.
The yata mirror and sakenagi sword existed outside of susanoo's appearance. This much we know. I believe that Zetsu said that Oro spent his life searching for it and all along Itachi had it. So if every MS user has susanoo under the construct that we know it, then every MS user would have access to the sword and mirror. How does that work?
I just don't get how James feels that any of what he wrote disproved the dimension ability. I read the long and wordy arguments he posted and found myself saying "WTF does he think this proves?"
What's more laughable is that my theory is largely based on holes and therefore intangibles that the author of this manga has left in the story. Yet James for some reason has offered so-called evidence to the contrary by offering ... well really nothing.
Case in point: James writes that unless there is a dragon breathing black fire, which he says was a joke, he
seriously doubted that there was a place on Earth that anyone could find it. WTF is
serious doubt but doubt from a devil's advocate? James you offer lots of good writing, but let's not get so caught up in fancying your own ideas that you start believing that what you "think" refutes anything.
We have evidence that not only can energy exist inside of different dimensions in people(Oro's sword, 4th hokage in Naruto, 9 tails in Naruto, Itachi's power in Naruto, Sasuke entering the 9 tails prison and discovering the secret behind Naruto's surprising strength, 8 other jinchuuriki, Jiraya sealing amaterasu for later study in a scroll .. which in itself proves that amaterasu can be displaced into another dimension for keeping braniac .. not to mention the 1st and 2nd Hokage being sealed in the Death God's belly and existing there as their sentient selves.
And when those pieces of evidence stop working for you, you get to consider Kakashi's ability, which I admittedly theorized was him manipulating the very core ability as a weapon as he wasn't initially able to take it further because of his lack of Uchiha DNA. With that said, Kakashi simply opens rifts and closes them on whatever target he wishes ala Deidara's arm.
And for clarification, I wasn't saying that MS users create amaterasu and susanoo. I said that they acquire them much like Jiraya acquired amaterasu in that scroll for later use and study. This occurred to me because those two jutsu just don't make sense. I know what Sasuke could do before getting or should I say being handed his MS. And honestly the only reason Sasuke can use them now is because he got a good poking in the dome. Databook refute that? I'd like the exact quote because I know how much you guys love molesting the truth with semantics.
My theory wasn't even based on amaterasu. It was based on what I believe is the inherent ability of the MS. I can make sense out of what MS users do when using my theory. I can't make any sense out of the 3 abilities they develop/have/find without it. No other clan in the manga ... and I mean NOT ONE OTHER have such unrelated abilities. It really makes no fcuking sense.
Every other kekkei genkai user has a core ability. This much is clear. Using that core ability along with creativity and ingenuity they manage to develop jutsu that strongly relies on the core bloodline trait. Haku uses ice and made ice mirrors. Byakugan user can see chakra points and so they have gentle fist. That all makes sense. How in the hell do you get nuclear black flame and mystical exoskeleton equipped with yata mirror and sakenagi sword from a kekkei genkai that basically used for genjutsu and to copycat?
Maybe your right, James, but it isn't because of the arguments that you've presented thus far. And if I'm wrong its most likely due to bad writing on the authors part because my theory only exists due to a tremendous hole in the story that you refuse for whatever reason to acknowledge.
Your argument is that I have overcomplicated a kekkei genkai that doesn't even operate in the confines of its own properties and follow the trend of every other single kekkei genkai in the Naruto series? That just sounds silly in itself.
There's certainly a case to be made. Maybe you just don't like how I've made it, but others seem to find value in it because it raises questions that have been left unanswered that detracts from the known story's integrity. We all know and have read how other bloodlines work. This is the
ONLY bloodline that has no guidelines. Even Pain's rinnengan was shown to grant use all elements. Could Pain shoot black fire because he had a hacked kekkei genkai? No. Did it allow Pain to summon an exoskeleton that wielded artifacts that predated the user? No. Did it allow Pain to teleport? No. Did it make Pain immortal or even grant him unlimited energy for his eyes? No. Did it allow Pain to control bijuu? Absolutely not.
Sure this is a comic book, but if we have to be forced to believe that the mangekyo sharingan can do just about anything then why not just classify the Uchiha as a band of genies? Why humanize them?
There are other instances where holes aren't questioned. Like why does manipulating wood grant the ability to control bijuu? Where's the connection? I have a theory for that too, but why share it with people who can't entertain an idea that's based on observations and elements of the actual story without getting so antsy that they begin trying to pass off strong opinions as facts that actually disprove nothing.
Sure, amaterasu is a weapon used by the MS user, but where in the story has its origins been revealed? And the same for susanoo? Tsukuyomi is totally believable. It goes hand in hand with the sharingan core abilities .. just amplified.
What do you think you know that we don't?
Please explain to me which of your points my theory neglects to address so I can easily do so as nothing anyone so far has written has in any way even cast doubt on my theory.
AddiKtioNn-BlaCk actually did a great job going point for point. The entire basis of AddiKtioNn-BlaCk's argument was that a hole does indeed exist in the story and we won't know for sure until a MS user aside from Sasuke demonstrates one of the 3 known MS abilities. How can you disprove that without there being any evidence? The databook info that James provided on amaterasu was so vague that it basically said "stay tuned" but was still offered up as solid proof!
I love it when people think that they are right about something when the evidence hasn't even manifested itself in the story yet, but use words like "disproved". Hahaha .. I guess with the story moving so slowly some people have to entertain themselves somehow.
2009-08-18, 19:14
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