2013-01-09, 08:20 | Link #302 |
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I read a manga called Berserk that takes months for a new chapter to come out and Claymore takes a a long time. So waiting 2 weeks for a Naruto chapter doesn't seem that long to me but I would prefer it to come out every week.
Comparing Hinata and Ino's feats in the war to Sakura's war feats makes Sakura look like a side character. For example Sakura has Kakashi save her from Ten Tails mokuton rods while Hinata just knocks a mokuton rod away from hitting Naruto with gentle fist. Sakura gets to punch a Zetsu while Ino mind controls Obito to redirect a biju bomb and she mind controlled Ginkaku which made it easier to seal him. I'm still expecting Sakura to do more later in the war simply since she's meant to be the main female character, she may do something more when Sasuke is involved. Last edited by TimeMask; 2013-01-09 at 12:27. |
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Which makes more sense to you, both opponents are in a position of power and one managed to sway the other through their words, or one of them was just a weak gimp and was trying to bluff their way through a potential fight? Nagato gave into Naruto because he believed in Naruto. He still had all the powers of Pain (the edo tensei confirmed this), he still had amazing levels of power (reviving hundreds confirms this), and he still had powerful backup (Konan may not have had her quadrillion exploding tags, but she was still a force to be reckoned with). Naruto did not defeat Nagato through power, Naruto defeated Nagato by making Nagato believe in Naruto. Nagato relinquished his beliefs. He gave up. |
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2013-01-09, 11:53 | Link #305 |
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Even though Hinata isn't a heroine, she has done enough to prove herself to be a great heroine. I have a lot of respect for her and for what she has done. She isn't just some cheerleader or love interest, she is a hell of a lot more than that.
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2013-01-09, 12:18 | Link #306 |
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This is something I was curious about. Why wasn't Obito able to awake his own Rinnegan? He already had the Mokuton skills and the Mangekyo Sharigan (that actually never made him tired) yet he had to take Madara's original eyes from Nagato. Is there an extra requirement to have the Rinnegan?
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2013-01-09, 12:27 | Link #307 | |
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Its hard to say as Madara was very old when he got rinnegan so his EMS didn't just turn into rinnegan quickly when he got Senju DNA. |
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2013-01-09, 13:19 | Link #308 |
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Madara was almost dead by the time he awakened the rinnegan.
Also, I don't think something like Rinne Tensei actually uses up chakra. It seems to use up something completely different. Besides, it's pretty ludicrous to believe that Konan and/or Nagato could've beaten Naruto. |
2013-01-09, 13:23 | Link #309 | |
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2013-01-09, 13:38 | Link #310 | |
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I am not saying that a good heroine has to be some kickass cool character that always wins her fights. Rather, she has to be an independent character that can exist beyond the realm of shipping (this is a basic idea geared toward Naruto in particular). Hinata does not really exist beyond Naruto (imho), consequently I do not see her as being a heroine (or at least a good one). |
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2013-01-09, 14:41 | Link #311 |
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There really aren't that many characters who aren't some kind of foil for Naruto.
The ones that aren't are like tertiary characters who are foil for the secondary characters. Some of the foil actually has its own foil (looking at Shikamaru). |
2013-01-09, 15:08 | Link #312 | |
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They could have, Naruto was already very tired at that point. A short time later we saw him collapsing and Kakashi had to take him back to Konoha. As opposed to that Konan had her full power and Nagato's power was not weakened by remote control power attenuation. He was low on chakra but he still had a considerable amount since he could revive masses of people in a remote location. Imagine if he summoned the Gedo Mazo and went on it's head then used it to crush Naruto and the remains of Konoha. Or he could have sucked out Naruto's soul if he gave up on capturing him. |
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I think when it comes down to it, we both feel Sakura is a wasted opportunity on Kishi's part. We just disagree on why and how to fix it. Last edited by james0246; 2013-01-09 at 16:41. Reason: double post... |
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2013-01-09, 17:20 | Link #314 | |
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It was obvious that a animal mission like that wouldn't be S rank and even when the turtle was flipped upside down by Edo Deidara explosion Naruto still didn't realize how obvious it wasn't a real S rank mission. I think Kishimoto showed Naruto like this maybe for comedy purposes and since he wanted Naruto on the turtle island. |
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2013-01-09, 20:07 | Link #315 |
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You are vastly overestimating the power of sage mode naruto if you believe he could have beaten konan at full power and a weakened nagato after his battle with the 6 paths. Naruto was on his last leg just like nagato was...in fact i would even say he had less chakra then the weakened nagato did...
Saying naruto would have beat konan by herself when they met face to face, is like saying the exhausted ms sasuke would have beaten the mizukage if their lil skirmish had continued...at full power ms sasuke would beat the mizukage, just like at full power sage mode naruto would have beaten konan...but just like what happened to sasuke, konan would have wiped the floor with naruto...let alone you still have nagato there with enough power to resurrect an entire village.... It is absolutely ridiculous to think naruto would have lasted even 2 minutes against them... That fight ended with talk no jutsu...not narutos power. |
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2013-01-10, 03:07 | Link #317 |
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^ Yeah, fall back on the nine-tails when his dad just stopped it from consuming Naruto. Good plan.
I seriously cannot fathom the exaggeration of Naruto's power. So you are basically saying that he will beat anyone regardless of how spent he is, regardless of how much power the enemy has? And tossing aside Nagato's power to revive an entire village as something inconsequential is utterly stupid.
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2013-01-10, 03:38 | Link #318 | |
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On the other hand I think it is fair to say Naruto had plenty left in the tank. You scoff at him using Kurama's chakra.... Why? He has been using it since his fight with Haku, if anyone is dismissing facts to win an Internet arguement it is you. Naruto and his second source of chakra have been front and center all series, are we even reading the same manga? |
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2013-01-10, 05:12 | Link #319 |
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^ Ever heard of "context"? Yeah, I think not.
I was not scoffing at Naruto using Kurama's chakra. I was replying to the poster above me who suggested that Naruto could rely on Kurama's chakra when a few moments ago his Dad stopped him from doing the exact same thing because Naruto wasn't ready. And yes, Naruto is God in this manga. Even after getting the hell beat out of him he still has plenty left in him to pwn Nagato and Konan EDIT: And who said anything about winning an argument? I'm not here for pettiness like that. You can believe whatever the hell you want. I'm here to state my opinion, not to convince someone to change theirs.
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But to say Naruto was running on empty is just incorrect. As I said before, he had sage mode and 9 tail mode up simultaneously at one point. If anything I'd say Naruto went easy on Nagato and Konan by sparing them and listening to their story. |
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