2012-06-14, 18:27 | Link #9504 | |
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Also, did anyone else catch Nishio implanting the little japanese cultural ritual of a girl cutting her hair after a rejection? I sincerely hope he's not trying to imply that Emukae is giving up on Zenkichi. I guess that's another thing to add into the list of 'bad character developments' which occured in this Chapter. Not only is she now wanting to be just like Medaka instead of herself, going against the words she said to Zenkichi, she now has plainly given-up and was ready to die without fighting for the man she loved even before meeting. I have to say, this chapter gets worst the more you read it. Last edited by Wolfenstein; 2012-06-14 at 19:19. |
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2012-06-14, 20:04 | Link #9505 | |
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Emukae was always struggling, when she was first introduced, Kumgawa had to bring her back in line, with the gesture of letting her touch his face. Also the reason why she can control her minus is because of his all-fiction. What Kumugawa will do is going to be something special. Will he release her from her minus nature or teach her to dive into it? |
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2012-06-15, 00:20 | Link #9506 | ||
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Since air rotting is only centred around her, however, this doesn't change the fact that Emukae can't actually attack Kugurugi with it. Quote:
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2012-06-15, 01:49 | Link #9508 |
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That's just our expectations based on the kind of writer Nishio is. The "year in advance" figure is probably in reference to a specific incident in some other series. The point is moreso that Nishio's stuff is always extremely intricate in terms of the big picture--small details that you don't think mean anything when you're just reading chapters, right now, come back around and push the story forward in real, unexpected directions.
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2012-06-15, 03:53 | Link #9510 | |
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As I said, remember Katanagatari (1 girl) and Nisemonogatari (3 girls). |
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2012-06-15, 04:36 | Link #9511 | |
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Spoiler for "right time":
Since IF we look at this page which I post it clearly says that has been one week since Medaka Left Academy. I think when Suitors got message about the ship was sunk they took action to leave the south pole quick while Student Council was awaiting for back up plus the fight with Second Suitor on Airplane meant they could not possibly go at same speed as they did before fight and also there was not much gasoline left after the fight plus finding the base takes time while walking in South pole. But also It does take "Hours" to await For Maguro to bring airplane from Japan or somewhere else also even so It at least take up 8-12 hours to fly from ship to South Pole unless the ship was near the south pole but also it also took time to go with helicopter to ship plus fight with two suitors so I think there has to be at least one day has past since they started the hunt for Medaka & her suitors. |
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2012-06-15, 04:41 | Link #9512 | |
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Not rejected - Hitagi cut hair for example. Sign of an internal changes - break with the past and so forth. |
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2012-06-15, 06:25 | Link #9513 | |
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The Suitors didn't decide to leave the South Pole base at all due to Nienami's loss/the destruction of the aircraft carrier. Bukiko initially intended even to capture Zenkichi's group as opposed to running away from them. The only reason they decided at the last moment to switch location was because of Medaka's revelation that she had (when they were two) proposed to Zenkichi--since Bukiko predicted that if Medaka realized Zenkichi had romantic feelings for her (i.e. by meeting him), she would refuse to go through with the wedding competition. As for how long it took Naze & co. to reach Antarctica, they even said it was "surprisingly close". At the time that their flight was interrupted, they were less than an hour from their destination. For Zenkichi to still have been complaining about their seat plan (5 people in the back), the absolute maximum for the time they spent in the jet could not have been more than about 5 hours. You can look at ch. 149, pg. 5 to see the fucking half-drunk coffee in the Suitor's meeting room. |
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2012-06-15, 07:15 | Link #9514 | |
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What happened was a bluff, pure and simple. He had the worst hand possible and no chance of winning, but bluffed so hard that she called the whole game off. Kumagawa never wins, but he can sure as hell make other other people lose. That's the whole theme of his original Minus, Bookmaker. When you play against Kumagawa, everyone gets dragged down to his level. Everyone loses. We see this again and again and again. For some reason this misunderstanding of the card game is surprisingly common. |
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2012-06-15, 07:58 | Link #9515 | ||
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Not to mention that Emukae can also decompose things without touching them after the secretary battle. So, again, coming close to Emukae is not a bright idea. That's why Parasite Seeing Hitoyoshi used her own power against her. So yea. Just dosen't work. Quote:
Emukae never expressed any desire to be a perfect Plus like Medaka before this chapter. All she wanted was to not be a Minus like she was before because she thought she deserved to die. And since she was reformed, became a reformed Minus like Kumagawa, this new desire came out of nowhere. It's bad character development because Emukae's deciding to wear someone like a costume instead of accepting herself for who she is, which is what she wanted to do after she realized she could use her powers to make people happy. And In-case you missed the end, her speech reverted to the same old same old Minus speech of uselessness and not the one of a confident reformed Minus. Though I guess that's just because Nishio trolled her so hard, he never intended for her to accomplish anything. |
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2012-06-15, 08:19 | Link #9516 |
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It's not that easy to stop being a Minus. Why would you expect it to be easy? It's damned hard, practically impossible. Emukae is the first one to do it, ever, given how surprised Zenkichi's mother was. And she studies kids like this for a living. Furthermore, a Minus isn't just a power or even a strange "twist of fate". It's a way of life. A Minus is shaped by their life history. Even if you "want to be happy", even if you can see hope that never existed before, that doesn't mean you can do a complete 180 on your personality.
Throughout the previous chapter and this one, Emukae was constantly telling herself to stop thinking certain things. She wants to improve, she wants to change. And she's working very hard at it, forcing herself out of her comfort zone to do very un-Minus-like things. But that doesn't mean she'll suddenly stop being a Minus. It's a process. Completely failing even when you go all-out? Who wouldn't be discouraged by that? Sudden epiphanies changing your entire behavior is more of a Plus thing, really. Last edited by Clarste; 2012-06-15 at 08:32. |
2012-06-15, 08:48 | Link #9518 | ||
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Regardless of whether Emukae can rot things without directly touching them or not, her skill is indisputably based upon proximity. In order for Emukae to attack Kugurugi in any manner, she has to get and stay close to her. Emukae's inability to accomplish this is what Kugurugi meant by Emukae's skill being no use against her. Quote:
When Kumagawa became a "reformed Minus", he decided he wanted to WIN, right? That's exactly Emukae's behaviour throughout the whole chapter--trying to believe in the fact that she could actually win. And winning is what Pluses do--not just believing in it, but actually doing it. Copying "Medaka's" (more like anybody's, actually) behaviour in deciding to try to do things and believing that something could actually come of it is the least Emukae could do as a "reformed Minus". Your hatred against Medaka's involvement in this chapter is completely irrational. |
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2012-06-15, 10:04 | Link #9519 | |
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Now it's weak enough for her to controlm to touch things without rotting them, with the exception of it leaking out when she gets emotional. |
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2012-06-15, 10:09 | Link #9520 | |
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