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Nenkitsune · 2008-02-25, 20:57

I've noticed that if there's too much action it artifacts a bit. It happens more on low quality stuff, but even stuff that was pretty good quality (like Ergo Proxy) still suffered from it.
It might just be because of what format the video's are uploaded as. On stage6, as far as i know, they're uploaded as .divx files, so what you see, is exactly the same thing as what you would download.

But like i said, I'm not sure how Veoh stores the video's as

(side note, i watched TTGL's HD opening and OMG THAT is STREAMING?! GEEZUS)

edit:I like downloading fast. it takes 15 minutes to download 5 episodes of FSN

cyth · 2008-02-25, 21:04

These videos can be encoded and uploaded in special ways to preserve picture quality. Veoh videos are encoded in VP6 and have max bitrate restrictions. So as long as you pre-encode these videos yourself while keeping in mind the max bitrate, you can come out with very good results. Now, I don't know what kind of video duration restrictions Veoh has, but that parameter dictates how far up you can drive video quality. Otherwise, it doesn't matter much how good your source video is, since it's going to get reencoded to a 12 fps soggy mess no matter what (by the Veoh service).

Spectacular_Insanity · 2008-02-25, 21:16

I noticed that when the videos at Veoh are .avi files, they don't lose resolution, even during heavy action/movement. I don't know if that's due to the file type, or a coincidence that all the .avi vids I've seen are high quality, or what.

ApostleOfGod · 2008-02-25, 21:22

Downloaded what I can on Stage.. Is there ANY other websites that have HALF the streaming quality which Stage6 presented to us audiences? LINKS

Spectacular_Insanity · 2008-02-25, 21:27

Well, I found this site: http://www.stage7.co.nr/, but I have no idea whether it's legit or not. I would guess not, though I haven't registered because I can't see the validation image for some odd reason. I suppose it's worth checking out if you really care, but apparently it's a Beta version anyway, so the actual value at this point in time is up in the air and highly questionable.

Defron · 2008-02-25, 21:34

I just found out, I am really sad as I was in the middle of watching many series on there and now this.

This is a major step back in streaming, Youtube utterly fails compared to stage6.

King Lycan · 2008-02-25, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApostleOfGod

Downloaded what I can on Stage.. Is there ANY other websites that have HALF the streaming quality which Stage6 presented to us audiences? LINKS

try googling HD Streaming sites
or use utorrent to fill in the viod left by stag6

wao · 2008-02-25, 21:48

Damn, this is really sad - I never used it to watch anime (too slow) but it was THE place to get uber-hi-quality MADs and artsy anime clips. Oh shit, I should go find some more before they go forever but... I waste enough time as it is. Urgh.

Well, hopefully some attentive Japanese fans will re-encode some of these in high quality as possible and upload them on niconico; the video quality there can actually be pretty good if you can encode .flvs perfectly (I have no clue how they do them, do you have to use VP6?)
And you can get even better quality for longer clips if you have a premium account.

Kristen · 2008-02-25, 22:21

This is saddening and shocking. I mean, I rarely ever used stage6, since it's search feature for anime episodes was AWFUL (I looked up Death Note 24 and it gave me Death Note 1 as the first result. 24 was on the 9th page after the spanish subs, and I think the German ones too...) But, it really was a nice place to get high quality.
That is, at least, before I discovered the wonders of bittorrent. ^_^

But, hopefully this won't signify a downfall of places like Veoh or Youtube in the future...

hcl4 · 2008-02-25, 22:27

Stage6 is basically the streaming video equivalent to a direct download site. They have a very generous 2GB per video upload limit, no real time limit that I know of(sort videos by length), built in video saving and the biggest reason to use Stage6 is its fast speeds. Usually I get max download speeds my connection can do. Compared to youtube and veoh which caps their speeds and all the other limits they have, Stage6 fills a unique spot for HQ videos.

ApostleOfGod · 2008-02-26, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcl4

Stage6 is basically the streaming video equivalent to a direct download site. They have a very generous 2GB per video upload limit, no real time limit that I know of(sort videos by length), built in video saving and the biggest reason to use Stage6 is its fast speeds. Usually I get max download speeds my connection can do. Compared to youtube and veoh which caps their speeds and all the other limits they have, Stage6 fills a unique spot for HQ videos.

I tried pressing "Download", but it didn't work for any of the vids I tried, so I just waited till they buffered completely and just "Saved As"

.

But really, Youtube and Veoh can't even compare to Stage6. I remember when Veoh made the video length limit, everyone was going INSANE. And this is Veoh we're talking here. They didn't even really limit, they just forced you to download Veoh TV or something in which you had access to more things. Youtube also has the 10 min limit, not to mention bad quality for uploaded videos. Veoh and Youtube simply don't compare to Stage6 when it comes to streaming.
Now my only half decent choice is Crunchyroll, where to watch high quality videos, I have to donate! -_-...

STAGE6... Why have you forsaken me...

kohakuslayer · 2008-02-26, 00:28

Aw man, Stage6 was my source for high-quality streaming anime =_=". Sad it'll go down the drain.

Ice Climbers · 2008-02-26, 00:28

Man, was using this to watch Gunslinger Girl, but I guess too bad

Defron · 2008-02-26, 00:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApostleOfGod

I tried pressing "Download", but it didn't work for any of the vids I tried, so I just waited till they buffered completely and just "Saved As"

.

But really, Youtube and Veoh can't even compare to Stage6. I remember when Veoh made the video length limit, everyone was going INSANE. And this is Veoh we're talking here. They didn't even really limit, they just forced you to download Veoh TV or something in which you had access to more things. Youtube also has the 10 min limit, not to mention bad quality for uploaded videos. Veoh and Youtube simply don't compare to Stage6 when it comes to streaming.
Now my only half decent choice is Crunchyroll, where to watch high quality videos, I have to donate! -_-...

STAGE6... Why have you forsaken me...

Yeah, I have a few other ones that are of a little better quality than crunchyroll's SD streams (but not even close to stage6 still), but nowhere near the selection.

Stage6 had a huge selection and super quality, my eyes have been severely spoiled by them.

Nenkitsune · 2008-02-26, 01:06

so, it hardly took me 2 1/2 hours to download like, 4 gb worth of stuff from Stage6
I think i might pull a few more shows within the next couple days (and free up space on my poor drives)

Fruitfly · 2008-02-26, 02:26

Darn, where will I get my high quality M@D videos now?

Avantoe · 2008-02-26, 04:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by kayos

Saying goodbye to Stage 6 is like losing a finger, it's not vital but it'll still be miss and you'll learn to live without it.

Couldnt have said it better myself.

***GHDpro*** · 2008-02-26, 04:43

I'm not really into any video sharing site (except occasionally YouTube, but not for watching anything longer than 2 mins), so I really can't be bothered much with Stage6's demise.

But from the descriptions posted here, I can see why they had to fold sooner or later: streaming video requires spectacular amounts of bandwidth, and the higher the quality, the higher the bandwidth usage (I know DivX is more efficient than Flash Video, but this still). It's nice they mention selling the service as an option they've tried. Considering the amount of YouTube-wannabe's popping up left-and-right, Stage6's operational costs must have seem very unattractive for there to be no potential buyers for their service.

Phantasmagoria · 2008-02-26, 04:51

Isn't Stage6 the only english HQ streaming site? (I am not talking about sites like Joox which only did copy and paste.) Sad news..

Now everyone will begin flocking to Veoh

Hijiroku · 2008-02-26, 04:57

well that sucks all the good hd gone good thing i know now

2008-02-25, 20:57	Link #21
Nenkitsune Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 35	I've noticed that if there's too much action it artifacts a bit. It happens more on low quality stuff, but even stuff that was pretty good quality (like Ergo Proxy) still suffered from it. It might just be because of what format the video's are uploaded as. On stage6, as far as i know, they're uploaded as .divx files, so what you see, is exactly the same thing as what you would download. But like i said, I'm not sure how Veoh stores the video's as (side note, i watched TTGL's HD opening and OMG THAT is STREAMING?! GEEZUS) edit:I like downloading fast. it takes 15 minutes to download 5 episodes of FSN __________________ もいちど。。。

2008-02-25, 21:16	Link #23
Spectacular_Insanity Ha ha ha ha ha... Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Right behind you. Age: 35	I noticed that when the videos at Veoh are .avi files, they don't lose resolution, even during heavy action/movement. I don't know if that's due to the file type, or a coincidence that all the .avi vids I've seen are high quality, or what. __________________

2008-02-25, 21:22	Link #24
ApostleOfGod ^.^ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto	Downloaded what I can on Stage.. Is there ANY other websites that have HALF the streaming quality which Stage6 presented to us audiences? LINKS __________________ There are two ways to live life. One is to live life as if nothing is a miracle. The other way is to live life as though everything is a miracle.

2008-02-25, 21:27	Link #25
Spectacular_Insanity Ha ha ha ha ha... Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Right behind you. Age: 35	Well, I found this site: http://www.stage7.co.nr/, but I have no idea whether it's legit or not. I would guess not, though I haven't registered because I can't see the validation image for some odd reason. I suppose it's worth checking out if you really care, but apparently it's a Beta version anyway, so the actual value at this point in time is up in the air and highly questionable. __________________

2008-02-25, 21:48	Link #28
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 34	Damn, this is really sad - I never used it to watch anime (too slow) but it was THE place to get uber-hi-quality MADs and artsy anime clips. Oh shit, I should go find some more before they go forever but... I waste enough time as it is. Urgh. Well, hopefully some attentive Japanese fans will re-encode some of these in high quality as possible and upload them on niconico; the video quality there can actually be pretty good if you can encode .flvs perfectly (I have no clue how they do them, do you have to use VP6?) And you can get even better quality for longer clips if you have a premium account. __________________ Thanks for the fish

2008-02-25, 21:04	Link #22
cyth Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 38	These videos can be encoded and uploaded in special ways to preserve picture quality. Veoh videos are encoded in VP6 and have max bitrate restrictions. So as long as you pre-encode these videos yourself while keeping in mind the max bitrate, you can come out with very good results. Now, I don't know what kind of video duration restrictions Veoh has, but that parameter dictates how far up you can drive video quality. Otherwise, it doesn't matter much how good your source video is, since it's going to get reencoded to a 12 fps soggy mess no matter what (by the Veoh service).

2008-02-25, 21:34	Link #26
Defron Soy Bean Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: OC California (nothing like the show) Age: 34	I just found out, I am really sad as I was in the middle of watching many series on there and now this. This is a major step back in streaming, Youtube utterly fails compared to stage6.

2008-02-25, 22:21	Link #29
Kristen Senior Member Author Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Tech	This is saddening and shocking. I mean, I rarely ever used stage6, since it's search feature for anime episodes was AWFUL (I looked up Death Note 24 and it gave me Death Note 1 as the first result. 24 was on the 9th page after the spanish subs, and I think the German ones too...) But, it really was a nice place to get high quality. That is, at least, before I discovered the wonders of bittorrent. ^_^ But, hopefully this won't signify a downfall of places like Veoh or Youtube in the future... __________________

2008-02-25, 22:27	Link #30
hcl4 Member Join Date: Jan 2004	Stage6 is basically the streaming video equivalent to a direct download site. They have a very generous 2GB per video upload limit, no real time limit that I know of(sort videos by length), built in video saving and the biggest reason to use Stage6 is its fast speeds. Usually I get max download speeds my connection can do. Compared to youtube and veoh which caps their speeds and all the other limits they have, Stage6 fills a unique spot for HQ videos.

2008-02-26, 00:28	Link #32
kohakuslayer River Spirit Graphic Designer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: 在你心裏面 Age: 33	Aw man, Stage6 was my source for high-quality streaming anime =_=". Sad it'll go down the drain. __________________ This signature was larger than allowed by the signature rules and a moderator has fed it to the forum bunnies. Many large, plump, oversized signatures are necessary if we are going to breed enough bunnies to conquer the world. With a signature like this one I'm gonna get a few new litters, yay!

2008-02-26, 00:28	Link #33
Ice Climbers Retired Graphic Designer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Princeton University	Man, was using this to watch Gunslinger Girl, but I guess too bad __________________

2008-02-26, 01:06	Link #35
Nenkitsune Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 35	so, it hardly took me 2 1/2 hours to download like, 4 gb worth of stuff from Stage6 I think i might pull a few more shows within the next couple days (and free up space on my poor drives) __________________ もいちど。。。

2008-02-26, 02:26	Link #36
Fruitfly Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Darn, where will I get my high quality M@D videos now?

2008-02-26, 04:43	Link #38
*GHDpro* Administrator Administrator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Netherlands Age: 45	I'm not really into any video sharing site (except occasionally YouTube, but not for watching anything longer than 2 mins), so I really can't be bothered much with Stage6's demise. But from the descriptions posted here, I can see why they had to fold sooner or later: streaming video requires spectacular amounts of bandwidth, and the higher the quality, the higher the bandwidth usage (I know DivX is more efficient than Flash Video, but this still). It's nice they mention selling the service as an option they've tried. Considering the amount of YouTube-wannabe's popping up left-and-right, Stage6's operational costs must have seem very unattractive for there to be no potential buyers for their service.

2008-02-26, 04:51	Link #39
Phantasmagoria Senior Member Author Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Dream	Isn't Stage6 the only english HQ streaming site? (I am not talking about sites like Joox which only did copy and paste.) Sad news.. Now everyone will begin flocking to Veoh __________________

2008-02-26, 04:57	Link #40
Hijiroku Heil Mein Fuhrer Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Inside my own mind Age: 30	well that sucks all the good hd gone good thing i know now