[Manga] Chapter 487 Discussion

[solidguy]

Originally Posted by SeanQ

I believe he's inside the tummy of the sword...

Knowing that sword and its promiscuos ways its probably more stretched than a 50 year old porn star. Theres plenty of space in there for kisame

[CoreyPmc1]

Has anybody realized that Kikashi always uses mangeyko sharingan but never once mentioned anything about that I going blind... EMS perhaps...

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by CoreyPmc1

Has anybody realized that Kikashi always uses mangeyko sharingan but never once mentioned anything about that I going blind... EMS perhaps...

Kakashi hasn't been using it nearly as much as Sasuke and Itachi did, and he has the benefit of a technique that doesn't require constant activation like Susanoo. Plus, he has a normal eye that works just fine.

[Good Apollo]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Kakashi hasn't been using it nearly as much as Sasuke and Itachi did, and he has the benefit of a technique that doesn't require constant activation like Susanoo. Plus, he has a normal eye that works just fine.

and the fact that the eye was originally obito's so kakashi might never go blind in that eye though this only my speculation

[james0246]

Originally Posted by CoreyPmc1

Has anybody realized that Kikashi always uses mangeyko sharingan but never once mentioned anything about that I going blind... EMS perhaps...

Kakashi did, back when he confronted the Itachi-clone during the 'Rescue Gaara' arc, bring up the fact that the MS slowly destroys the Sharingan eye. Presumably, he only knew this because he experienced something similar when he used his own MS...

That being said, there has been a long-held theory that Kakashi has some sort of pseudo-EMS. This theory is also used to describe Kamui as either the 4th MS technique, or some form of deviation of the 4th MS technique...

[SuigetsuKun]

Originally Posted by james0246

That being said, there has been a long-held theory that Kakashi has some sort of pseudo-EMS. This theory is also used to describe Kamui as either the 4th MS technique, or some form of deviation of the 4th MS technique...

I think it has nothing to do with the fourth MS technique. It's true that Kakashi's original (normal) eye was replaced by a Sharingan, thus some eye was replaced with these and it's similar to replacing one's own Sharingan with the Sharingan of a sibling, but there neither is an Uchiha body, nor a previous Sharingan, plus Kakashi - in the beginning - needed to form the seal used to mold chakra and he concentrated it to his eye. He can't use even one of the favourite and famous Mangekyou Sharingan techniques, named Amaterasu, Susano and Tsukiyomi, instead, his technique was described as "useless" by Madara. He said that those techniques could not harm him, thus I think he activated the individual technique that belonged to Uchiha Obito, because as it is now, every Uchiha (or at least the few selected powerful Uchiha) do have some individual technique (e.g. Uchiha Shisui).

I don't know if Madara's teleportation jutsu or Itachi's genjutsu by pointing at someone with his finger (Itachi had superior genjutsu powers that easily surpassed the genjutsu skills of Konoha's best and could not be dispelled by Naruto's powerful chakra) are individual Sharingan techniques or not, but if so, then Kakashi's technique might be one as well.
The problem is that Kakashi was really able to tell facts about MS, but that might not mean something because Kakashi's eye has to work best. This was commented by Itachi. The eye has an unnatural host, a non-Uchiha body, which means that regular blood floats through the eye, not Uchiha blood and thus Kakashi seems to have great trouble with his eye.

I still could imagine him to be much stronger with a regular eye. Maybe he should have taken one of Asuma's eyes instead since his father had a great reputation and Kakashi's potential greatly suffers because of the lack of chakra produced by the Sharingan. He can't ever be at eye level with the Uchiha and other strong ninja don't need the Sharingan, so why does he need it? It originally was a mere present and a mere replacement for the eye he lost. He had no choice but to take it.

Of course it gave him the reputation of the "Copy Ninja" and he learned lots of techniques (which Orochimaru always wished for himself), but you know what I want to say... the eye stands in his way.

[CoreyPmc1]

Originally Posted by james0246

Kakashi did, back when he confronted the Itachi-clone during the 'Rescue Gaara' arc, bring up the fact that the MS slowly destroys the Sharingan eye. Presumably, he only knew this because he experienced something similar when he used his own MS...

That being said, there has been a long-held theory that Kakashi has some sort of pseudo-EMS. This theory is also used to describe Kamui as either the 4th MS technique, or some form of deviation of the 4th MS technique...

Yeah, that's basically what I was getting at. I was thinking, since he transferred eyes with an Uchiha, who was probably his closest friend, and the fact that he feels responsible for his death (not sure if he stated that or not), led to him finding some loophole in the Sharingan's activation method.

As far as where his technique came from, I still believe that he has an uncomplete version of madara's technique. Also, I think that the reason they would have the same type of ability is because they both have Obito's eyes (Yes, it's the "Obito theory" sorry )

It is suppose to be "Kakashi's year isn't it? This would be good way to add some more depth (or drama) to his character

[Cub-Sama]

My speculation:

Considering the sharingan activates/evolves during times of extreme emotional or mental stress, the killing of your closest friend creates an emotional distress that furthers the power to MS.

I think the whole going blind thing might be more philosophical, the curse for seeking power and killing your best friend is you gain power but lose the light and descend into darkness. To regain your light you must make yet another sacrifice: take the life of your brother and steal his light.

Kakashi did neither of these things but he still went through the emotional distress of having his best friend die and instead of wanting to steal his light he wanted to make sure Obito's light never died. And the reason it didn't get unlocked for some time was either because a) his body wasnt ready for it b) the road to his power is long and not an instant shortcut but it comes without the curse

[Ulquiorra]

Originally Posted by CoreyPmc1

It is suppose to be "Kakashi's year isn't it? This would be good way to add some more depth (or drama) to his character

And Kishimoto also said Sakura would start acting more like a true heroine. So yeah...interviews are best ignored until Kishi actually puts ink to paper

[wtfftw]

This was really a good chapter.

Sasuke is crazy as ever lol. Kisame is freaking badass not to mention zetsus skills

[Lendial]

as if kishi would allow a female to be useful.

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by Ulquiorra

And Kishimoto also said Sakura would start acting more like a true heroine. So yeah...interviews are best ignored until Kishi actually puts ink to paper

I couldn't agree more with this

No author in their right mind would actually spoil their stories. Everything is meant to keep you guessing. I bet my beans on it.

[SuigetsuKun]

Originally Posted by Ulquiorra

And Kishimoto also said Sakura would start acting more like a true heroine. So yeah...interviews are best ignored until Kishi actually puts ink to paper

No, he did not lie to us. You have to know how he defines hero and heroine. A hero is the typical hero with heroic traits, a heroine cooks and gives birth to children.

[yaluckyboy]

Anyone notice that this is the first time Kabuto gets a new appearance design

[Nintendo]

kakashi asked itachi how bad his eyesight had gotten, but he didnt state if he read it under the uch hideout or experienced it.

remember sasuke didnt have MS yet and he knew about the drawbacks of it because he read it.

it could be hes going blind or he just knows it, we got to assume hes not going blind as they have yet to show what it looks like through his eyes(like they have for sasuke and itachi)

[Sakuranbo]

Originally Posted by Nintendo

kakashi asked itachi how bad his eyesight had gotten, but he didnt state if he read it under the uch hideout or experienced it.

remember sasuke didnt have MS yet and he knew about the drawbacks of it because he read it.

it could be hes going blind or he just knows it, we got to assume hes not going blind as they have yet to show what it looks like through his eyes(like they have for sasuke and itachi)

It showed his vision of Naruto in the last chapter(s) looking quite blurry iirc, Madara even commented on it.

[CoreyPmc1]

Originally Posted by Cub-Sama

My speculation:

Considering the sharingan activates/evolves during times of extreme emotional or mental stress, the killing of your closest friend creates an emotional distress that furthers the power to MS.

I think the whole going blind thing might be more philosophical, the curse for seeking power and killing your best friend is you gain power but lose the light and descend into darkness. To regain your light you must make yet another sacrifice: take the life of your brother and steal his light.

Kakashi did neither of these things but he still went through the emotional distress of having his best friend die and instead of wanting to steal his light he wanted to make sure Obito's light never died. And the reason it didn't get unlocked for some time was either because a) his body wasnt ready for it b) the road to his power is long and not an instant shortcut but it comes without the curse

I definitely agree with the emotional state theory part, actually that was one of the things I was thinking of when I said "loophole" .

Your light darkness theory is definitely plausible, and definitely a nice way of pulling the good vs. bad (Light/Dark) theme deeper into the story. I would probably lean more option "A" though, but "B" makes sense.

Originally Posted by Ulquiorra

And Kishimoto also said Sakura would start acting more like a true heroine. So yeah...interviews are best ignored until Kishi actually puts ink to paper

Haha Good point... I wasn't being 100% serious with that last part though

[iBeast]

Originally Posted by Vanitas

It showed his vision of Naruto in the last chapter(s) looking quite blurry iirc, Madara even commented on it.

No, that was Kamui, or that's just how Madara's space travel looks like. I don't even thing Kakashi has the MS.

[Miles54321]

Here's a thought that came back to me, what if Madara is REALLY obito or rather Tobi is really obito or is using obitos eye, Kakashi has the left sharingan right? Well tobi has only shown his right eye! I think he may be using Obitos body or something (coulda rescued it without kakashi knowing sometime cus he lost his and needs another uchiha body, this could even explain tobis character at beginning of part II), I wouldn't even be suprised if the akatsuki base shown in season 1 has something to do with Kakashi Gaiden, may even be same place I dunno, I know Kakashi Gaiden is more important than it looks you know, Madara may be using obito, maybe it'll take time for him to ues his full power, in chapter 487 or 486 just before we see him rescue sasuke look at his hair style, it is similar to obito!

Also, why do you think he said in the latest chapter to kakashi: "There's no use, that technique won't work on me", when Kakashi tried to use Mangekyou Sharingan?

It may have been because he has the same Mangekyou Sharingan! :P (Whereas with sasuke, when amaterasu was used it nearly killed him)

I really think Kishi put in Kakashi Gaiden for an important reason, look at where it appeared in the anime also, Literally just before Konoha ninjas met Madara, when he was trying to stall them while sasuke was fighting itatchi

[Nite-Wing]

Obito is dead
It would ruin the amazing death he had by turning him into madara. Plus Kakashi would end up mindfucked forever.