2006-11-05, 22:19
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He does seem to have some kind of relationship with Roger, just not as a crew though... y'know kinda like how Gan Fall in skypeia had a relationship with roger... you don't need to be a member of a crew to end up having a relationship with the captain... though it does make ya wonder what kind of relationship they had... Quote:
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2006-11-05, 22:30
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2006-11-06, 00:34
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2006-11-06, 01:37
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grant it, we could always bring to question how old roger was when he was executed and how long his reign was... considering how young Aokiji appears to be despite being atleast 40 years old, it wouldn't be too farfetch to think that roger was about 50 when he died, and that he had been pirating for 30 years prior to that... meaning Crocus could have known(crew member) Roger from his early days, and just remained as a distant friend afterward when he settled down at the lighthouse... |
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2006-11-06, 02:10
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I have my doubts that any of Roger's crew would still be alive. Fact is, marines managed to capture and execute Roger. Do you really think the crew of Gol d. roger, the only pirate crew to make it to the end of the grand line would abandon their captain? It is more likely that they fought to the death and Roger was the sole survivo. Further more if you look at Case of Tom, the world government is not ignorant, they know the people involved with roger and any one who has assisted roger wil be sentenced to death.
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2006-11-06, 12:24
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i read the manga .. actually i can't read Japanese, and i only have the translation in english it says as u said .. but u can't make sure unless u read the manga in Japanese because it could be some translation mistake .. anyway he mentioned being a ship doctor in ep 63 between 5~6 min .. but it also be either anime edition or mistake .. so u need to make sure by reading the manga ... if u know Japanese Actually i have question how many entrance exist for grandline ??? Spoiler:
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2006-11-06, 14:15
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2006-11-06, 18:41
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^ Actually Im quite certain that placing Smoker in Loguetown was both because of his lazy attitude (so it keeps him motivated to do work since it is his hometown), but also because it would prove a good measure of pirates strength when they went to the Grandline.
Being the closest town to the Grandline in East Blue, any serious ship will stop there, and anyone strong enough to make a mark in the grandline will certainly make a mark there, so the Marines will for certain know someone is coming into the Grand Line that is more than the average. What's more, those that avoid Loguetown will end up as one of two kinds. Those that are too weak and not worth the time of the marines, and those that are too strong and just dont need to worry about the provisions. So with that in mind, Im sure that the Marines probly do have an established base at each town closest to Reverse Mountain from each of the Blues. |
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2006-11-06, 20:12
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The marine base in lougetown is a rather minor one... smoker and tashagi are the only ones that can really fight, the rest are nothing but grunts... the secruity is rather low imo... heck that can been seen in how long it took them to find luffy and buggy (both of which hide themselves in a minor way)... a REAL base would have probably seen their ship before they even landed... not to mention that i'm sure their are plenty of priates that bypassed louge town because they had already stocked up plenty before hand... No reason to stop for provisions if you already got em'... really there seems to be a rather huge margin of failure with simiply guarding the closest town instead of the base of the mountain The marines have the reasources to place a serious base at each end of the mountian... a base complete with big walls, a nice array of cannons, and a big steel gate blocking entrance/exit from the mountain... give it a Vice adrmil and a few captains to guard it and you got something that no one under 50 or so million would be able to break through(as oppsed to 30 million)... most anyone that goes against it would probably fail... hell, Luffy has become strong and a huge threat to the marines, but had the mountian had a defence like this, luffy might have been stopped long ago... best to take down a pirate early when their weak, than to allow them to go to the grandline where with, extra time, they could grow stronger (just like luffy did) |
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2006-11-07, 00:14
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- the time roger stayed on grandline was 2-3 years before he got cought/ surrendered to the marines. - if he left lapoon then i think he woud have left him before lapoon start hitting ridline with his head and before got grew that mush - the way he talked like he was talking with roger was .. like someone who knew who he was talking with very well. Quote:
luffy and buggy entered grandline almost at the same time ... but buggy wasn't there when luffy entered or the other way around ... even thought both of them entered from the same gate .. so maybe each ship get thrown to another place !!? so even thought there is only 1 entrance .. u got thrown to many places depend on the size of ur ship .. also didn't smoker follow after them ... but then didn't Krokus say that all ship entering grandline start in this point ?? so in other word there should be only 1 place ... so why didn't the marines build a base in that place ??? that's what i think ... they can't because someone destroy there ship once they enter grandline, that's why they start looking for a way to enter grandline through .. Spoiler:
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2006-11-07, 03:11
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Well, if they have one side gauded, why guard the other way especially if you can't leave that way? It seems like this is a case.
So then you should also remember the main issue that happened when the Mugiwara entered the GL, they got ahold of a Lock post. Buggy and crew dont necessarily get one immediately, or one that will lead them to the same starting island either. So there is a chance they will meet again somewhere, just when is the issue, if at all. |
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2006-11-07, 04:52
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I don't think how long Gold roger's reign was or anything like that was ever mentioned... i'd imagine he would have sailed the grandline for more than 2-3 years, i mean, that's an offly short reign for the pirate king... Quote:
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2006-11-07, 06:38
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 also he said the pirates we where waiting for, right ? roger he should have knew roger and not just a visit to talk like this .. also think of it like this: if he is in the start of grandline, then roger still haven't gained that reputation (he was a famous pirate but still) so for cracus to tak like that, he would have saw roger after roger became pirate king ... Quote:
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and the reason way marines can't built fortess there .. is because there is no eternal pose for the enterance or even log pose that will point to it... so 1- they can't use big ships 2- they can't get materials in order to built the fortess or supply it. 3- it will useless to use the HQ power to guard the entrance of the grandline from unkown pirates ... and leave the 4 great pirates playing alone in the New world |
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2006-11-08, 15:42
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Well as for Crocus, latest chapters of the manga provide juts a tiny bit more support to the possibility...
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[SPOILER]for larger ships, they can just use their method for crossing over the calm belt and just follow the along the shore of the redline[SPOILER] They could get all the materials they need to build a base there not to mention that neither of those reason escuse them from building a base at each entrance of the mountain... 3) It's not at all useless, serious bases at reverse mountain could have stopped what would become some very dangerous pirates... unless they are born in the grandline, all of the strongest pirates came one of the 4 seas and entered through reverse mountain... Shanks for one might not be one of the strongest pirates around if there was a strong enough base to stop him at reverse mountain, surely it would have been much easier to take down shanks back when he first took his crew into the grandline than it is now... And Luffy is another great example... Luffy is rising to become a serious powerhouse pirate, and may soon be one of the strongest... but a serious marine defence around reverse mountain could have definatly put an end to the strawhats adventures early on... a Marine defence around reverse mountain would probably do wonders to stopping future great pirates... I also don't understand you last point... Building bases at reverse mountain wouldn't slow down the fight agianst the the biggest pirates... the marines do have quite a bit of resourses to use... |
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